Muslims show Christian minister whose is religion of peace

Please people this kind of dicussing should not be on a car forum.
Give your head a shake and stick to the cars.

Well said dude - but be careful, when I popped up here and started making that observation I got put through the ringer for it. Apparently the insults only come from the Left, and anything that comes from the Right is ok because the Left started it :)
 
However, some of old Testament Law isn't just for Jews - right - the 10 Commandments for instance.

I bet you have used many parts of old Testament law when you needed it to back up an assertion of yours.

How convenient that you can pick and choose - just like you can pick and choose which denominations are real 'Christians' and which aren't... And you can move them in and out of the fold when you need to. Need more Christians to prove that Christianity is larger than Islam - we'll add Catholics. Don't like what the Catholic religion has done in the past - we will exclude them from Christianity.

Certainly 'Christians' of many denominations at the time used those bible references to commit gendercide. You asked for an example, along with biblical verse, I gave both. Now we have to make sure it fits within the magical 'Foss' definition of both?

I don't think so...

And, yes, anytime a group of people, just because of blind prejudice, is singled out for mass murder, it is upsetting. Witch burning is one of those times were a strong group (men who belonged to Christian religions) set out to kill members of another group - in this case women. Women who may not have embraced Christianity the 'correct' way in the view of those men.
You can make all the claims you want, but the fact remains - you don't understand the Bible, nor have you read it.

Interesting that you include the word Christians in quotes there. I guess even you realize that those people were not real Christians. Thanks for proving my point.

And you can be snarky all you want, but my 'magical definition' comes from the Bible. Your attempts to conflate Christianity and murder are a failure.
 
Please people this kind of dicussing should not be on a car forum.
Give your head a shake and stick to the cars.
In case you didn't notice, this is a political forum INSIDE a car forum.

But thanks for telling us what you think, troll. Maybe if you would stick to the car forum you wouldn't get your pink panties in a wad over what we're discussing, hmm? :rolleyes:
 
You can make all the claims you want, but the fact remains - you don't understand the Bible, nor have you read it.

Interesting that you include the word Christians in quotes there. I guess even you realize that those people were not real Christians. Thanks for proving my point.

And you can be snarky all you want, but my 'magical definition' comes from the Bible. Your attempts to conflate Christianity and murder are a failure.

I have and continue to read the Bible - however much you don't want to believe that Foss - once again I could take a picture of my much sticky noted and highlighted bible (result of many, many study groups) in front of the computer screen, like I did Atlas Shrugged, but it won't convince you.

What I find really interesting is your ability to create Christianity in your own image and on your own terms, as well as reconstruct the Bible, to fit your purpose at the time.

Oh, the quotes are because I was talking about 'Christians' and needed a way to indicate that it was looking at Christians within that time frame of witch burning. Those views are different than current day views of Christianity, but were very 'christian' in their day and age. Just as all religions change over time. Current viewpoints of Christianity could change markedly in the future.

Please people this kind of dicussing should not be on a car forum.
Give your head a shake and stick to the cars.

Ah, Jake - a bit of advice - abandon all hope - ye who enter here...
 
Oh, the quotes are because I was talking about 'Christians' and needed a way to indicate that it was looking at Christians within that time frame of witch burning. Those views are different than current day views of Christianity, but were very 'christian' in their day and age. Just as all religions change over time. Current viewpoints of Christianity could change markedly in the future.
No, you are being QUITE dishonest. What you 'needed' was a way to tie Christianity to witch burning so you could paint it as an 'evil religion.'

You weren't 'talking about Christians', you were SMEARING Christianity.
 
It was a church backed initiative. Christian religions, both catholic and protestant supported witch burning. - Post 51

Christian religions at their worst did a great job of holding that candle next to the Muslims regarding their treatment of women in the past. - Post 54

Witch burning is one of those times were a strong group (men who belonged to Christian religions) set out to kill members of another group - Post 59

I have very specifically used 'religion' throughout this argument Foss.

No, you are being QUITE dishonest. What you 'needed' was a way to tie Christianity to witch burning so you could paint it as an 'evil religion.'

You weren't 'talking about Christians', you were SMEARING Christianity.

Christians of the past were often 'evil,' by current definition. It is part of Christian history. We have hopefully changed since then. But, we have also redefined 'Christianity' along the way.

I am sure you don't follow the Christianity that was practice around the time right after Christ Foss. For one thing, they continued to practice those 'dietary' laws that you scoffed at earlier. Christianity has moved away from those laws.

Religions change with the times. Just as countries do. Just because we haven't experienced what past citizens have, doesn't make us lesser citizens or better citizens than past Americans. We are just different. Just as we are different than past Christians.

Just as you don't judge current day Germany by it's mistakes of the past... or maybe you do Foss.
 
Muzzlims are SCARED TO DEATH of Christianity,,They know our religion is strong and CAN TAKE IT they have to resort to this kind of behavior,,they're weak. Goofy artists in the name of ART produce all kinds of stuff about JESUS,,GOD,,VIRGIN MARY,,ST.JOHN,,MARY MAGDALIN (sic) etc etc etc WE JUST "KEEP ON TRUCKIN' ". Muzzlims (they love it spelled that way) are also SCARED TO DEATH of the INTERNET.

Qu'ran > Bible all day.
 
I guess we know who rules your house. If you even have a woman.

:lol: Dont go around acting like your religion is the best. I think its been said enough that christians and sympathy (understanding) are like water and oil
 
How should one define it then?

Fossten created the title for this thread which is: "Muslims show Christian minister whose is religion of peace" which implies that he thinks Christianity is a religion. He then states in the very same thread that Christianity is not a religion. It would appear that Fossten is not very consistent in his ideas, if you had not already noticed that.
 
:lol: Dont go around acting like your religion is the best. I think its been said enough that christians and sympathy (understanding) are like water and oil

Apparently you don't know any Christians. Speaking from ignorance once again; seems to be a pattern for you.:rolleyes:

the more accurate analogy (meaning actually having some truth to it) would be athiests are to religious tolerance like water is to oil. ;)
 
Fossten created the title for this thread which is: "Muslims show Christian minister whose is religion of peace" which implies that he thinks Christianity is a religion. He then states in the very same thread that Christianity is not a religion. It would appear that Fossten is not very consistent in his ideas, if you had not already noticed that.

Actually, it is riffing off the idea that Islam is the "religion of peace" that is constantly being perpetuated. He is being facetious to illustrate the absurdity of the claim. But context never stops intolerant athiests looking to smear a Christian now, does it.:rolleyes:
 
and you say i spew hatred. and what was intended by this? i was posting about christian ideals within the bible. i didn't mention anything about my life. you know what they say about assumptions.

although after reading that, and what i posted about within the bible, and you being the good christian, i would pose that statement towards you.
Considering you're a godless heathen, I wouldn't expect you to understand a)Christian doctrines/principles or b) the difference between Islam and Christianity.

Even if I posted a chart with the differences clearly laid out, you'd continue with your absurd, loose claims littered with copy/paste taken from bogus, Christian-hating sites with no credibility whatsoever.

It's not as though you really want to learn anything. You're just a troll, trying to make as big a nuisance of yourself as possible. You're not interested in a discussion.
 
you are the one not interested in discussion. i don't get anything from "christian hating" sites. my last post was directly from the bible.
i'm aware of the differences between islam and christianity. no chart is necessary.

i'm not here to be a nuisance, just somebody with a different perspective than you.(if everybody thought the same, there would be no need for this section of the forum) i don't need a supernatural entity to explain everything for me, nor do i involve myself with it's narrowly directioned propaganda.

you're just pissed i refuted the claims with your own doctrine. it's you who run from the discussion. or come in with trollish remarks as above.

how do you know if i understand christian doctrine or not? you're basing that on the fact i don't believe in god?

i'm not a christian hater. but in the first post i ever said i was atheist, YOU started to make a joke of it. so, i fight back. like you, i won't be belittled for my beliefs. i see nothing that would lead me to believe in the existence of a god.

it's you who spew hatred. look at the first 4 words of your reply. "Considering you're a godless heathen".
what do you expect in reply?
and statements like"It's not as though you really want to learn anything"

learn what? how to be like you? have you not gotten anything from all my arguements? i'm not here for conversion, nor do i expect you are.

i respect you for your commitment to your beliefs, i just wish it was reciprocal. instead you think your better than others.
Hatred? How can you be insulted by being called a godless heathen, considering you've proclaimed repeatedly how proud you are of that very fact?

How can you whine about hatred, considering you have a vile, insensitive, disrespectful avatar?

Your posts are a waste of space. You know nothing of the Bible except what you can c/p from anti-Christian websites, from which you in cowardly fashion omit the links. You are no different than Jagger-bot. It's no wonder people set you to 'ignore' status. You have nothing constructive or substantive to contribute.
 
If you can't link your sources, then you FAIL.

Period.

You haven't spoken anything truthful since you've been here.

Buh-bye, wasteful troll.
 
If you can't link your sources, then you FAIL.

Period.

You haven't spoken anything truthful since you've been here.

Buh-bye, wasteful troll.

Dont go into that BS sir.

Where is your degree in political science?

If you dont have one i dont see why you would even be posting in this forum.
 
Dont go into that BS sir.

Where is your degree in political science?

If you dont have one i dont see why you would even be posting in this forum.

You clearly know nothing about politics and don't display the knowledge that would be expected of someone having a political science degree. Why are you posting?
 
Dont go into that BS sir.

Where is your degree in political science?

If you dont have one i dont see why you would even be posting in this forum.
Translation: Africa is not a country. :rolleyes:

Have you even graduated from high school yet?
 
O: I respect you
Islam: LOLOLOLOLOL
O: America wants to engage you mutually as equals
Islam: ROTFLMAOLMFAOOTF

Will Islam Return Obama's 'Respect'?

By DANIEL HENNINGER, Wall Street Journal


Today is Holy Thursday for Christians and the start of Passover for Jews. This week was an opportune time for President Barack Obama to visit Istanbul's Hagia Sophia, which has been both a Byzantine church and Islamic mosque. In Turkey he spoke of seeking engagement with Islam based on "mutual respect."

The subject of this column is the status of minority faith groups, mostly Christian, living inside Islamic countries. That status is poor. In some cases it verges on extinction, after centuries of coexistence with Islam. So it is useful to review what Mr. Obama said of his goals for living with Islam:

"I know that the trust that binds the United States and Turkey has been strained, and I know that strain is shared in many places where the Muslim faith is practiced. So let me say this as clearly as I can: The United States is not, and will never be, at war with Islam. . . .

"We seek broader engagement based on mutual interest and mutual respect. We will listen carefully, we will bridge misunderstandings, and we will seek common ground. We will be respectful, even when we do not agree. We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith. . . . Many other Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a Muslim-majority country. I know, because I am one of them."


This is an eloquent description of ecumenical civility. In reality, the experience of Arab Christians living now amid majority Islamic populations is often repression, arrest, imprisonment and death.

Coptic Christians in Egypt have been singled out for discrimination and persecution. Muslim rioters often burn or vandalize their churches and shops.

In Turkey, the Syriac Orthodox Church (its 3,000 members speak Aramaic, the language of Christ) is battling with Turkish authorities over the lands around the Mor Gabriel monastery, built in 397.

Pakistan's recent peace deal with the Taliban in the Swat Valley puts at risk the 500 Christians still trying to live there. Many fled after Islamic extremists bombed a girls' school late last year. Pakistan has never let them buy land to build a church.


In 1995, the Saudis were allowed to build a mosque in Rome near the Vatican, but never reciprocated with a Christian church in their country. Saudi Arabia even forbids private worship at home for some one million Christian migrant workers.

In Iraq, the situation for small religious minorities has become dire. Reports emerge regularly of mortal danger there for groups that date to antiquity -- Chaldean-Assyrians, the Yazidis and Sabean Mandaeans, who revere John the Baptist. Last fall the Chaldean-Assyrian archbishop of Mosul was kidnapped and murdered. Some Iraqi Christians believe the new government won't protect them, and talk of moving into a "homeland" enclave in Nineveh. Penn State Prof. Philip Jenkins, author of "The Lost History of Christianity," calls the Iraq situation "a classic example of a church that is killed over time."

In short, the "respect" Mr. Obama promised to give Islam is going only in one direction. And he knows that.

Candidate Obama last fall sent a letter to Condoleezza Rice expressing "my concern about the safety and well-being of Iraq's Christian and other non-Muslim religious minorities." He asked what steps the U.S. was taking to protect "these communities of religious freedom." Candidate Obama said he wanted these groups represented in Iraq's governing institutions. Does President Obama believe these things?

A Bush official who worked on this problem in Iraq told me there is a school of thought that Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki understands that these ancient groups are Iraq's "connective tissue," and that weaving them formally into the system could be a basis for binding together his fractured nation. If these harmless peoples can't coexist, who can?

Mr. Obama's designated ambassador to Iraq, Christopher Hill, has been criticized for subordinating human-rights issues with North Korea. That would be a mistake in the Middle East. The willingness of Islamic governments to formally protect these small Christian groups should be a litmus test of their bona fides on larger political issues.

If Islam won't let its leaders give basic rights to a handful of ancient Christians, there is no hope for what Mr. Obama proposed this week in Turkey. What his special envoy for Middle East peace, George Mitchell, wishes to achieve with Israel and its neighbors will also fail, again.

An established network of smart people exists to help Mr. Obama here, starting with the Vatican of Pope Benedict XVI and its diplomatic outreach efforts to senior Islamic clerics. The widely connected Anglican Vicar of Baghdad, Andrew White, also happens to be director of the little-known Religious Sectarian project for the U.S. Department of Defense. There are many others.

Mr. Obama should make formalized tolerance of Christian sects in the Middle East the basis for arriving at what he called "common ground" with Islam. As will be noted in churches in the rest of the world this weekend, that "common ground" was first walked in the Middle East 2,000 years ago.
 
Foss, would Coptic Christians and members of the Syriac Orthodox Church fall within your definition of Christian? You might want to compare their belief set against Catholics, since Catholics aren’t Christian according to your definition.
 
Why don't you tell me what they believe, respectively, and I'll answer your question.

Or are you not able to tell the differences?
 

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