TheDude
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How should one define it then?
Muslims show Christian minister whose is religion of peace
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How should one define it then?
Fossten created the title for this thread which is: "Muslims show Christian minister whose is religion of peace" which implies that he thinks Christianity is a religion. He then states in the very same thread that Christianity is not a religion. It would appear that Fossten is not very consistent in his ideas, if you had not already noticed that.
Apparently you don't know any Christians. Speaking from ignorance once again; seems to be a pattern for you.
the more accurate analogy (meaning actually having some truth to it) would be athiests are to religious tolerance like water is to oil.
Actually, it is riffing off the idea that Islam is the "religion of peace" that is constantly being perpetuated. He is being facetious to illustrate the absurdity of the claim. But context never stops intolerant athiests looking to smear a Christian now, does it.
and you say i spew hatred. and what was intended by this? i was posting about christian ideals within the bible. i didn't mention anything about my life. you know what they say about assumptions.
although after reading that, and what i posted about within the bible, and you being the good christian, i would pose that statement towards you.
fossten
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Considering you're a godless heathen, I wouldn't expect you to understand a)Christian doctrines/principles or b) the difference between Islam and Christianity.
Even if I posted a chart with the differences clearly laid out, you'd continue with your absurd, loose claims littered with copy/paste taken from bogus, Christian-hating sites with no credibility whatsoever.
It's not as though you really want to learn anything. You're just a troll, trying to make as big a nuisance of yourself as possible. You're not interested in a discussion.
you are the one not interested in discussion. i don't get anything from "christian hating" sites. my last post was directly from the bible.
i'm aware of the differences between islam and christianity. no chart is necessary.
i'm not here to be a nuisance, just somebody with a different perspective than you.(if everybody thought the same, there would be no need for this section of the forum) i don't need a supernatural entity to explain everything for me, nor do i involve myself with it's narrowly directioned propaganda.
you're just pissed i refuted the claims with your own doctrine. it's you who run from the discussion. or come in with trollish remarks as above.
how do you know if i understand christian doctrine or not? you're basing that on the fact i don't believe in god?
i'm not a christian hater. but in the first post i ever said i was atheist, YOU started to make a joke of it. so, i fight back. like you, i won't be belittled for my beliefs. i see nothing that would lead me to believe in the existence of a god.
it's you who spew hatred. look at the first 4 words of your reply. "Considering you're a godless heathen".
what do you expect in reply?
and statements like"It's not as though you really want to learn anything"
learn what? how to be like you? have you not gotten anything from all my arguements? i'm not here for conversion, nor do i expect you are.
i respect you for your commitment to your beliefs, i just wish it was reciprocal. instead you think your better than others.
i'm aware of the differences between islam and christianity. no chart is necessary.
i'm not here to be a nuisance, just somebody with a different perspective than you.(if everybody thought the same, there would be no need for this section of the forum) i don't need a supernatural entity to explain everything for me, nor do i involve myself with it's narrowly directioned propaganda.
you're just pissed i refuted the claims with your own doctrine. it's you who run from the discussion. or come in with trollish remarks as above.
how do you know if i understand christian doctrine or not? you're basing that on the fact i don't believe in god?
i'm not a christian hater. but in the first post i ever said i was atheist, YOU started to make a joke of it. so, i fight back. like you, i won't be belittled for my beliefs. i see nothing that would lead me to believe in the existence of a god.
it's you who spew hatred. look at the first 4 words of your reply. "Considering you're a godless heathen".
what do you expect in reply?
and statements like"It's not as though you really want to learn anything"
learn what? how to be like you? have you not gotten anything from all my arguements? i'm not here for conversion, nor do i expect you are.
i respect you for your commitment to your beliefs, i just wish it was reciprocal. instead you think your better than others.
fossten
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Hatred? How can you be insulted by being called a godless heathen, considering you've proclaimed repeatedly how proud you are of that very fact?
How can you whine about hatred, considering you have a vile, insensitive, disrespectful avatar?
Your posts are a waste of space. You know nothing of the Bible except what you can c/p from anti-Christian websites, from which you in cowardly fashion omit the links. You are no different than Jagger-bot. It's no wonder people set you to 'ignore' status. You have nothing constructive or substantive to contribute.
i have yet to come across a law that states i HAVE to believe in ANY god.
so being GODLESS is irrelevent.
i'm not whining about hatred, just pointing out how much you whine about hatred from me while you have a vile disrespectful attitude in your posting to others.
and i don't c/p from ANTI-CHRISTIAN websites, i c/p from pdf's on my computer, or non religious websites. you know, debunkers of ALL god myth beliefs.
and my avatar is a picture. it is representative of life through evolution starting in the sea. any disrespectful sentiments you glean from it are simply of your own making.
as for knowing nothing about the bible, that is something you use quite frequently against many. pretty lame attack to bolster yourself. time you got your face out of the bible and started looking into the history behind religions. you might find it's full of more faults than truths.
but i know, you'd rather hide behind the bible than be bothered to discern the truth.
so being GODLESS is irrelevent.
i'm not whining about hatred, just pointing out how much you whine about hatred from me while you have a vile disrespectful attitude in your posting to others.
and i don't c/p from ANTI-CHRISTIAN websites, i c/p from pdf's on my computer, or non religious websites. you know, debunkers of ALL god myth beliefs.
and my avatar is a picture. it is representative of life through evolution starting in the sea. any disrespectful sentiments you glean from it are simply of your own making.
as for knowing nothing about the bible, that is something you use quite frequently against many. pretty lame attack to bolster yourself. time you got your face out of the bible and started looking into the history behind religions. you might find it's full of more faults than truths.
but i know, you'd rather hide behind the bible than be bothered to discern the truth.
fossten
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If you can't link your sources, then you FAIL.
Period.
You haven't spoken anything truthful since you've been here.
Buh-bye, wasteful troll.
Period.
You haven't spoken anything truthful since you've been here.
Buh-bye, wasteful troll.
Mr Wiggl3s
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Dont go into that BS sir.
Where is your degree in political science?
If you dont have one i dont see why you would even be posting in this forum.
You clearly know nothing about politics and don't display the knowledge that would be expected of someone having a political science degree. Why are you posting?
fossten
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Translation: Africa is not a country.
Have you even graduated from high school yet?
like my sources in this thread? YOU don't have a bible? even i have an html version.
would you like me to link you to an online one?
these are the same trollish remarks you post continuously throughout threads.
they are without substance, and like your saying, are a NUH-UH arguement. sorry fossten, it is you who fails. you should stay out of arguements you have no substance to counter with. then you wouldn't look such a fool.
fossten
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O: I respect you
Islam: LOLOLOLOLOL
O: America wants to engage you mutually as equals
Islam: ROTFLMAOLMFAOOTF
Will Islam Return Obama's 'Respect'?
By DANIEL HENNINGER, Wall Street Journal
Today is Holy Thursday for Christians and the start of Passover for Jews. This week was an opportune time for President Barack Obama to visit Istanbul's Hagia Sophia, which has been both a Byzantine church and Islamic mosque. In Turkey he spoke of seeking engagement with Islam based on "mutual respect."
The subject of this column is the status of minority faith groups, mostly Christian, living inside Islamic countries. That status is poor. In some cases it verges on extinction, after centuries of coexistence with Islam. So it is useful to review what Mr. Obama said of his goals for living with Islam:
"I know that the trust that binds the United States and Turkey has been strained, and I know that strain is shared in many places where the Muslim faith is practiced. So let me say this as clearly as I can: The United States is not, and will never be, at war with Islam. . . .
"We seek broader engagement based on mutual interest and mutual respect. We will listen carefully, we will bridge misunderstandings, and we will seek common ground. We will be respectful, even when we do not agree. We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith. . . . Many other Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a Muslim-majority country. I know, because I am one of them."
This is an eloquent description of ecumenical civility. In reality, the experience of Arab Christians living now amid majority Islamic populations is often repression, arrest, imprisonment and death.
Coptic Christians in Egypt have been singled out for discrimination and persecution. Muslim rioters often burn or vandalize their churches and shops.
In Turkey, the Syriac Orthodox Church (its 3,000 members speak Aramaic, the language of Christ) is battling with Turkish authorities over the lands around the Mor Gabriel monastery, built in 397.
Pakistan's recent peace deal with the Taliban in the Swat Valley puts at risk the 500 Christians still trying to live there. Many fled after Islamic extremists bombed a girls' school late last year. Pakistan has never let them buy land to build a church.
In 1995, the Saudis were allowed to build a mosque in Rome near the Vatican, but never reciprocated with a Christian church in their country. Saudi Arabia even forbids private worship at home for some one million Christian migrant workers.
In Iraq, the situation for small religious minorities has become dire. Reports emerge regularly of mortal danger there for groups that date to antiquity -- Chaldean-Assyrians, the Yazidis and Sabean Mandaeans, who revere John the Baptist. Last fall the Chaldean-Assyrian archbishop of Mosul was kidnapped and murdered. Some Iraqi Christians believe the new government won't protect them, and talk of moving into a "homeland" enclave in Nineveh. Penn State Prof. Philip Jenkins, author of "The Lost History of Christianity," calls the Iraq situation "a classic example of a church that is killed over time."
In short, the "respect" Mr. Obama promised to give Islam is going only in one direction. And he knows that.
Candidate Obama last fall sent a letter to Condoleezza Rice expressing "my concern about the safety and well-being of Iraq's Christian and other non-Muslim religious minorities." He asked what steps the U.S. was taking to protect "these communities of religious freedom." Candidate Obama said he wanted these groups represented in Iraq's governing institutions. Does President Obama believe these things?
A Bush official who worked on this problem in Iraq told me there is a school of thought that Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki understands that these ancient groups are Iraq's "connective tissue," and that weaving them formally into the system could be a basis for binding together his fractured nation. If these harmless peoples can't coexist, who can?
Mr. Obama's designated ambassador to Iraq, Christopher Hill, has been criticized for subordinating human-rights issues with North Korea. That would be a mistake in the Middle East. The willingness of Islamic governments to formally protect these small Christian groups should be a litmus test of their bona fides on larger political issues.
If Islam won't let its leaders give basic rights to a handful of ancient Christians, there is no hope for what Mr. Obama proposed this week in Turkey. What his special envoy for Middle East peace, George Mitchell, wishes to achieve with Israel and its neighbors will also fail, again.
An established network of smart people exists to help Mr. Obama here, starting with the Vatican of Pope Benedict XVI and its diplomatic outreach efforts to senior Islamic clerics. The widely connected Anglican Vicar of Baghdad, Andrew White, also happens to be director of the little-known Religious Sectarian project for the U.S. Department of Defense. There are many others.
Mr. Obama should make formalized tolerance of Christian sects in the Middle East the basis for arriving at what he called "common ground" with Islam. As will be noted in churches in the rest of the world this weekend, that "common ground" was first walked in the Middle East 2,000 years ago.
Islam: LOLOLOLOLOL
O: America wants to engage you mutually as equals
Islam: ROTFLMAOLMFAOOTF
Will Islam Return Obama's 'Respect'?
By DANIEL HENNINGER, Wall Street Journal
Today is Holy Thursday for Christians and the start of Passover for Jews. This week was an opportune time for President Barack Obama to visit Istanbul's Hagia Sophia, which has been both a Byzantine church and Islamic mosque. In Turkey he spoke of seeking engagement with Islam based on "mutual respect."
The subject of this column is the status of minority faith groups, mostly Christian, living inside Islamic countries. That status is poor. In some cases it verges on extinction, after centuries of coexistence with Islam. So it is useful to review what Mr. Obama said of his goals for living with Islam:
"I know that the trust that binds the United States and Turkey has been strained, and I know that strain is shared in many places where the Muslim faith is practiced. So let me say this as clearly as I can: The United States is not, and will never be, at war with Islam. . . .
"We seek broader engagement based on mutual interest and mutual respect. We will listen carefully, we will bridge misunderstandings, and we will seek common ground. We will be respectful, even when we do not agree. We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith. . . . Many other Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a Muslim-majority country. I know, because I am one of them."
This is an eloquent description of ecumenical civility. In reality, the experience of Arab Christians living now amid majority Islamic populations is often repression, arrest, imprisonment and death.
Coptic Christians in Egypt have been singled out for discrimination and persecution. Muslim rioters often burn or vandalize their churches and shops.
In Turkey, the Syriac Orthodox Church (its 3,000 members speak Aramaic, the language of Christ) is battling with Turkish authorities over the lands around the Mor Gabriel monastery, built in 397.
Pakistan's recent peace deal with the Taliban in the Swat Valley puts at risk the 500 Christians still trying to live there. Many fled after Islamic extremists bombed a girls' school late last year. Pakistan has never let them buy land to build a church.
In 1995, the Saudis were allowed to build a mosque in Rome near the Vatican, but never reciprocated with a Christian church in their country. Saudi Arabia even forbids private worship at home for some one million Christian migrant workers.
In Iraq, the situation for small religious minorities has become dire. Reports emerge regularly of mortal danger there for groups that date to antiquity -- Chaldean-Assyrians, the Yazidis and Sabean Mandaeans, who revere John the Baptist. Last fall the Chaldean-Assyrian archbishop of Mosul was kidnapped and murdered. Some Iraqi Christians believe the new government won't protect them, and talk of moving into a "homeland" enclave in Nineveh. Penn State Prof. Philip Jenkins, author of "The Lost History of Christianity," calls the Iraq situation "a classic example of a church that is killed over time."
In short, the "respect" Mr. Obama promised to give Islam is going only in one direction. And he knows that.
Candidate Obama last fall sent a letter to Condoleezza Rice expressing "my concern about the safety and well-being of Iraq's Christian and other non-Muslim religious minorities." He asked what steps the U.S. was taking to protect "these communities of religious freedom." Candidate Obama said he wanted these groups represented in Iraq's governing institutions. Does President Obama believe these things?
A Bush official who worked on this problem in Iraq told me there is a school of thought that Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki understands that these ancient groups are Iraq's "connective tissue," and that weaving them formally into the system could be a basis for binding together his fractured nation. If these harmless peoples can't coexist, who can?
Mr. Obama's designated ambassador to Iraq, Christopher Hill, has been criticized for subordinating human-rights issues with North Korea. That would be a mistake in the Middle East. The willingness of Islamic governments to formally protect these small Christian groups should be a litmus test of their bona fides on larger political issues.
If Islam won't let its leaders give basic rights to a handful of ancient Christians, there is no hope for what Mr. Obama proposed this week in Turkey. What his special envoy for Middle East peace, George Mitchell, wishes to achieve with Israel and its neighbors will also fail, again.
An established network of smart people exists to help Mr. Obama here, starting with the Vatican of Pope Benedict XVI and its diplomatic outreach efforts to senior Islamic clerics. The widely connected Anglican Vicar of Baghdad, Andrew White, also happens to be director of the little-known Religious Sectarian project for the U.S. Department of Defense. There are many others.
Mr. Obama should make formalized tolerance of Christian sects in the Middle East the basis for arriving at what he called "common ground" with Islam. As will be noted in churches in the rest of the world this weekend, that "common ground" was first walked in the Middle East 2,000 years ago.
i get a kick out of you fossten. you include ALL christians when you cry about things, and then state that only your belief is christian and the others aren't.
so, are these christians within your story "christians" , or is this just out to prove some whiny point and further your hatred?
so, are these christians within your story "christians" , or is this just out to prove some whiny point and further your hatred?
Foss, would Coptic Christians and members of the Syriac Orthodox Church fall within your definition of Christian? You might want to compare their belief set against Catholics, since Catholics aren’t Christian according to your definition.
fossten
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Why don't you tell me what they believe, respectively, and I'll answer your question.
Or are you not able to tell the differences?
Or are you not able to tell the differences?
I believe both are quite 'orthodox' and include many of the restrictions of the Catholic Church. Penance, confession to a priest, the elevation of Mary... they both split (along with others - creating Oriental orthodox churches) from the Catholic church around 450bc regarding some ideal that Jesus must be both divine and human at all times. I don't really understand that part - it is a little hard for my protestant thinking to get around...
fossten
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Just because their teachings are different from Catholic teachings doesn't automatically make them Christian. Popes have often contradicted one another in the past. Clearly they both can't be right.
fossten
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I never said I did.
I was confused because the article you posted decries the treatment of 'Christians' (the sects mentioned above) by the local Islams. I think both hrmwrm and I are just wondering if you would consider those sects Christian? Sort of in an effort to see where your defining line is for Christian or not.
It is terrible, what those Christians have to face every day regarding practicing their faith - I was just curious to see if you really thought they were Christian.
It is terrible, what those Christians have to face every day regarding practicing their faith - I was just curious to see if you really thought they were Christian.
Mr Wiggl3s
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Translation: Africa is not a country.
Have you even graduated from high school yet?
Africa is a continent?
Yea. I graduated. Have you realized that the big bang happened over 13.5 billion years ago? And that this picture disproves your life?
Keep on blindly following guy, it's not my life your wasting, only your kids
fossten
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You've done the necessary research on evolution in order to make an informed decision? Doubtful. I have.Africa is a continent?
Yea. I graduated. Have you realized that the big bang happened over 13.5 billion years ago? And that this picture disproves your life?
Keep on blindly following guy, it's not my life your wasting, only your kids
Ah, keep believing what the substandard government school taught you. It helps you to keep your 'lemming' status.