Need a 2004 Lincoln LS V8 engine

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Created a post yesterday about me hydrolocking my engine. Apparently I broke or bent a rod because when I pulled the plugs I cant see one the rods moving.

Does anyone have a 2004 Lincoln LS V8 engine for sale or know a good place to get a used rebuilt or re-manufactured one? The shop says they will charge me 1100 for labor and 2500 w/engine and labor.

Thanks in advance.
 
Just for clarity here...

If you can see a rod through the spark plug hole, then you are really, really in bad shape.

What you meant to say was that you don't see one of the pistons moving. No movement at all would indicate that you didn't just bend a rod, but actually broke one.

None of this alters your situation or your needs, just trying to do a little "education."
 
and just to edjamicate a little more...
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May I also offer some advice?

I assume you won't be doing the work yourself.
It looks like your approach is to find an engine and then find someone to put it in. You won't know if the replacement engine really works okay until you put it in. If it fails, you may be able to get your money back for the engine purchase, or exchange it for another. However, you will still be paying for the labor to remove the 2nd engine and the labor to install the third one.

It may be better to get some local quotes for the replacement of your engine, with the mechanic sourcing the engine. That way, if the replacement engine is bad, he will have to eat the cost of removing it and replacing it again instead of you.
 
hicksw24 said:
Created a post yesterday about me hydrolocking my engine. Apparently I broke or bent a rod because when I pulled the plugs I cant see one the rods moving.

Does anyone have a 2004 Lincoln LS V8 engine for sale or know a good place to get a used rebuilt or re-manufactured one? The shop says they will charge me 1100 for labor and 2500 w/engine and labor.

Thanks in advance.
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2500 for an engine and the labor. I've never had to do this work so I don't know if that's a good price but what are the details. Whats the mileage of the engine? What year LS did it come out of? I know some cars engine's have VIN #'s on them so you might be able to get some idea, to an extent, the amount of miles that were placed on that engine. Is it a reputable shop, have you had work done there before?
 
The engine has 70thousand miles on it and it came out of the same model as my v8 2004 LS. I have never worked with the shop before but my co workers say they are great.

Just to be clear before I drop this cash - The consensus is that I should have it replaced and not have them try to fix?
 
plenty on CL... buying at your own risk, but search around, they're out there
..................................................................................... ^i got it right^
 
joegr said:
May I also offer some advice?

I assume you won't be doing the work yourself.
It looks like your approach is to find an engine and then find someone to put it in. You won't know if the replacement engine really works okay until you put it in. If it fails, you may be able to get your money back for the engine purchase, or exchange it for another. However, you will still be paying for the labor to remove the 2nd engine and the labor to install the third one.

It may be better to get some local quotes for the replacement of your engine, with the mechanic sourcing the engine. That way, if the replacement engine is bad, he will have to eat the cost of removing it and replacing it again instead of you.
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Thats good advice right there
 
Op, I have a brand new oil pump for the gen 2's. Never used. If you buy used, this would be a very nice purchase to place in it. Pm me if interested. I do have a thread with a pic in the Parts for Sale Forum.
 
2500 for them replacing the motor and finding one, thats probably your best bet right there.
 
marcredd said:
Op, I have a brand new oil pump for the gen 2's. Never used. If you buy used, this would be a very nice purchase to place in it. Pm me if interested. I do have a thread with a pic in the Parts for Sale Forum.
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X200. If you go with a used engine, replace the oil pump. Probably also ought to go ahead and replace the timing chains while you're at it, since from what you folks are saying the timing chain only lasts about 150K miles or so. It'll be tons easier to get it done while the engine's out.
 
Gen 2's do not have the timing chain issue. Ford did an update in early 2001 which changed the plastic tensioners to metal.
 
marcredd said:
Gen 2's do not have the timing chain issue. Ford did an update in early 2001 which changed the plastic tensioners to metal.
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In that case, how long do they tend to last? I have a Gen 2 so would be interested in knowing as well.
 
Most of us never have to replace them. Theyre not like coils.

As long as you change the oil on time you should never have to touch the chains.
 
Oh cool thanks! I was thinking that crap, the timing chain is a maintenance item on these things?

Good deal, in that case, to the OP, just the oil pump.
 
2002_lincolnLS said:
sweet so I should not have any issues with mine either then?
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Nothing is always a guarantee but as long as you change the oil when it is supposed to be, I would not think so. Remember, I am the one who got 207,000 out of the plastic tensioners on conventional oil by just changing it every 3000 miles. And that engine was still working when I did the swap.
 
marcredd said:
Nothing is always a guarantee but as long as you change the oil when it is supposed to be, I would not think so. Remember, I am the one who got 207,000 out of the plastic tensioners on conventional oil by just changing it every 3000 miles. And that engine was still working when I did the swap.
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Course no guarantees, but known issues are nice to know about like the whole thing with the coils. You know, where any and all problems starts with coil replacement? :D

Problem - scratch in paint.
Step 1 - replace coils. If no change go to Step 2.

I'd read in another post that the Gen 1 plastic tensioner timing chains lasted about 125K, and thought the same post had said something about metal tensioner timing chains lasting 175K miles, which was why I posted what I did on timing chains to begin with. :cool:
 
In my heart, I want to believe that some(not all.....but some) with the gen 1 tensioner issue did not faithfully change the oil at 3000 miles. The plastic does not do well at all with sludge.
 
marcredd said:
In my heart, I want to believe that some(not all.....but some) with the gen 1 tensioner issue did not faithfully change the oil at 3000 miles. The plastic does not do well at all with sludge.
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I suspect (but do not know) that temperature would play a roll in some of the failures. It's stressful on the plastic, and it causes oil sludging.
Maybe some or many of the engines with failure had some overheating episodes in their history. Cooling system problems are not uncommon on these cars, and it seems that many owners keep going until fail-safe cuts in, and then try it again and again before fixing the problem.
 
marcredd said:
Gen 2's do not have the timing chain issue. Ford did an update in early 2001 which changed the plastic tensioners to metal.
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Does that mean that some of the 2002's have plastic and some have metal tensioners? Or do you mean the model year 2001?
 
Every LS made after March or April of 2001 has metal tensioners. Plastic was put to rest. Just check to see when your build date was. If after April, you have metal.
 
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