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Student Kicks NCLB's Texan Ass!
by tepster
Sun Feb 20th, 2005 at 13:03:50 PST

Besides the fact that even Republican lawmakers are turning their backs on NCLB, a freshman at a Texas high school used her time during a practice run of the upcoming TAKS to write an essay on the impact impact high-stakes testing has on her learning life.

She took the advice of her counselors, who told her to choose her battles wisely (meaning TAKE THE DAMN TEST) and so she did- choosing to go ahead with crafting her thoughts on the matter instead of filling in the bubbles like a good little girl.

Now will she pay the price?

Jenny LaCoste-Caputo
Express-News Staff Writer

Mia Kang stared at the test sheet on her desk.

It only was practice. Teachers call it a "field test" to give them an idea of how students will perform on the Texas Assessment of Knowledge and Skills.

But instead of filling in the bubbles and making her teacher happy, Mia, a freshman at MacArthur High School, used her answer sheet to write an essay that challenged standardized testing and using test scores to judge children and rank schools.

"I wrote about how standardized tests are hurting and not helping schools and kids," said Mia, who looks and acts older than her 14 years. "I just couldn't participate in something that I'm completely opposed to."

Mia isn't boycotting just the practice tests. The straight-A student said she'll refuse to take the state- and federally-mandated tests Texas teachers begin administrating next week.

The decision isn't a popular one. When Mia refused to take the practice test, two school guidance counselors came to the classroom to try to change her mind.

"They warned me that it would be a black mark on my record and that I should choose my battles wisely," Mia said.

Mia is the latest in a growing number of students nationwide who are showing their opposition to high-stakes testing by putting down their pencils.

These young people say the "drill and kill" mentality of test preparation is destroying their thirst for knowledge and creating a generation of students who are missing crucial lessons in critical thinking, creativity and discovery.

Frustration also grips teachers, but at least in Texas, it's students who are making their voices heard.

Part of the reason frustration "grips" teachers is that NCLB has punishments embedded within that whip schools for not having at least 95% of their students TAKE the test, leading toward that ominous label of being one of the growing number of "failing" schools. Essentially, that means the law pits student-advocates (teachers AND parents) against the schools themselves.

Texas has been gauging student progress with high-stakes standardized tests for the past decade. The state's accountability program, which ranks schools based on student progress, became the blueprint for President Bush's sweeping education reform law, labeled No Child Left Behind.

...that blueprint, by the way, was based largely on the so-called Texas Miracle, which has been extensively debunked.

Under the federal mandate, schools must show progress in the overall student population, as well as in subgroups based on race, ethnicity, disability and economic status. The stakes are high, with some schools standing to lose students, money and autonomy if they fail to meet federal standards because too few students pass the tests.

Too may already have.

There is risk for individual students, too. In Texas, third- and fifth-graders must pass the test to be promoted to the next grade, and high school students must pass all four sections of the test -- English, math, social studies and science -- to earn a diploma, regardless of what their report card says.

So what does this mean for our intrepid heroine, Mia Kang, I wonder?

You can find the rest here.

It's important to know that this is not anti-testing at work here. As the superintendent in the article states, "There is a real punitive flavor to all of this. If you're testing to be diagnostic, to identify weaknesses and work on them, that's one thing. But all we hear about is dropping the hammer on schools."

The superintendent also states, "In both cases, it's not a matter of whether these students could pass or not. They're very, very capable students. I just hope they don't restrict opportunities in the future by doing this." Ironically, that is exactly the impact high-stakes testing has on students and on schools, in general.

As Mia, the very wise, says:

Test preparation dominates classes, Mia says, squeezing out time for meaningful discussion or creative projects.

"These tests don't measure what kids really need to know, they measure what's easy to measure," she said. "We should be learning concepts and skills, not just memorizing. It's sad for kids and it's sad for teachers, too.

We should support this courageous student. She's risking a lot more than most of us are willing to and she's one little ninth-grader!

Mia doesn't plan to take the TAKS test ever. Like Kimberly, she doesn't intend to participate even though it means her diploma is on the line. Both girls have stellar academic records and hope colleges see beyond one test.

"If my high school diploma means I passed one test in the 11th grade, then that's pretty meaningless," Mia said.

Does this mean Mia will never graduate?

It's a shame that more teachers don't or feel they can't act on what they know is a flawed and dangerous movement toward destroying public education in the eyes of the very public it serves.

It's a shame that most parents won't look beyond the Orwellian tag of the law's title.

And it's simply a crime that there are lawmakers who had their hand in this knowing FULL WELL what was to come. But their children are most likely tucked safely away at some private school while the rest of those who are less fortunate to have such resources on their side, are left behind in schools tagged as "failing" regardless of the exceptional staff and the extraordinary effort being made on their part (much of it, subversive!).

In reference to this news, a colleague of mine quoted Charles Beard, a 20th Century American historian, who, when asked to name the lessons of history, ended with "When it is dark
enough, you can see the stars."

These are dark times, and Mia Kang is a bright star.

Here's what you can do to support Mia and those who stand with her (i.e., those noted in the article):

Write to Mia Kang at her school:
MacArthur High School
2923 E Bitters Rd.
San Antonio, TX 78217

Write a letter to the editor of the San Antonio Express-News:

Letters
c/o Express-News
P.O. Box 2171
San Antonio, TX 78297-2171

Or fax to: (210) 250-3465 Include your daytime phone number for verification purposes only.

Email her principals, her teachers, the superintendent in support of Mia.

You can find all those connection on the school website:
http://www.neisd.net/mac/

Education is a civil rights issue.
Mia Kang is a hero in this movement.
 
Just another example of BuSh's "class warfare". Keep the poor dumb, and we'll eventually have a new class of slaves. Brilliant!
:Bang
 
This is to painful of a thread for me to respond to....:Bang

Hey boy that sounds so good no child left behind...:Bang

Only problem it leaves more children behind....:Bang

I guess if you make a catchy slogan the program works...... :Bang
 
So you guys have to logically be against the SAT, the ACT, the ASVAB, etc., etc., then, huh? Please answer this question yes or no and your reasons. If you are opposed to standardized testing for the NCLB program, you should respond.
 
The problem is, as the article shows, that teachers are forced to teach to the test rather than giving a well rounded education, otherwise the school can loose fed funding. This is great if you are trying to raise workers for Walmart, Kmart and Mcdonalds or to be good jackbooted republicans, but not very good if you have higher hopes for your kids.
This program was shown to be a failure in Texas, but it was used as a guideline for the national program just the same. It was proven that, in Texas, the books were cooked, students that were known to be unable to pass the test were held over for a year so as not to have to take the test and then promoted 2 grade levels to keep them on track to graduate, etc.
 
97silverlsc said:
The problem is, as the article shows, that teachers are forced to teach to the test rather than giving a well rounded education, otherwise the school can loose fed funding. This is great if you are trying to raise workers for Walmart, Kmart and Mcdonalds, but not very good if you have higher hopes for your kids.
I have no problems with a supposed "well rounded education", but the two can co-exist, just like the other standardized tests that I have mentioned. To become any of a number of different professions, a person must take a standardized test as well. The difference I see is that the other standardized tests can only impact the individual taking the test, and the NCLB tests can impact the schools and/or teachers. So the level of accountability has been raised.

Sounds to me like the schools and/or teachers are purposely trying to sabotage this program for their own sakes. My daughter has told me stories of a couple of her teachers at her high school that degrade the NCLB program to their students for basically the same reasons as was stated in that article. These teachers should not be doing this because they are abusing their influence on their students. I suspect this is what happened to the author of the article.

There are many classes and programs that encourage creativity, critical thinking and discovery, but kids still need to learn the basics in math, english, science and social studies. Normal tests are given in each individual class for a reason. If most of the students are failing the test, then doesn't the teacher evaluate their teaching methods and adjust accordingly? Again, it sounds like they just don't want to be held accountable for their own faults and are bucking change. The incorporation of NCLB in school curriculum is being made more difficult than it should. At least that's my opinion, and I have yet to see anything to dispute this.

Your example of the Texas students being held back then promoted is not proof that this system is a failure. It's proof that something extra needs to be done for the students that are having problems, which is the focus of the No Child Left Behind program in the first place.
 
Kbob said:
So you guys have to logically be against the SAT, the ACT, the ASVAB, etc., etc., then, huh? Please answer this question yes or no and your reasons. If you are opposed to standardized testing for the NCLB program, you should respond.


So you are saying that a test can tell you what is the ability of a child?

You better go back to school then!!!

I guess all the research on learning styles don't apply!! But that would have been done by some liberal!!!

Sorry like I said NCLB sound good but it just doesn't work!!! To many variables to be tested!!! You can't!!!

What about the kid who's sick on the day of the test, or hell I could go on and on with all the things it can't do but it wouldn't matter... and 'm not going to get into one of those long post not in this forum!! Not worth it to me!! Conservative minds are stuck in park.....

We are all the same.....
 
mespock said:
So you are saying that a test can tell you what is the ability of a child?

You better go back to school then!!!

I guess all the research on learning styles don't apply!! But that would have been done by some liberal!!!

Sorry like I said NCLB sound good but it just doesn't work!!! To many variables to be tested!!! You can't!!!

What about the kid who's sick on the day of the test, or hell I could go on and on with all the things it can't do but it wouldn't matter... and 'm not going to get into one of those long post not in this forum!! Not worth it to me!! Conservative minds are stuck in park.....

We are all the same.....
I don't understand your answer. Are you saying that you are opposed to all standardized tests?

EDIT: I forgot to add all the exclamation points like you do, so !!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
An example of the "success" of the Texas program.


Houston's 'Zero Dropout'

Fall 2003

By Michael Winerip

Robert Kimball, an assistant principal at Sharpstown High School, sat smack in the middle of the "Texas miracle." His poor, mostly minority high school of 1,650 students had a freshman class of 1,000 that dwindled to fewer than 300 students by senior year. And yet — and this is the miracle — not one dropout to report!

Nor was zero an unusual dropout rate in this school district that both President Bush and Secretary of Education Rod Paige have held up as the national showcase for accountability and the model for the federal No Child Left Behind law. Westside High here had 2,308 students and no reported dropouts; Wheatley High 731 students, no dropouts. A dozen of the city's poorest schools reported dropout rates under one percent.

Now, Dr. Kimball has witnessed many amazing things in his 58 years. Before he was an educator, he spent 24 years in the Army, fighting in Vietnam, rising to the rank of lieutenant colonel and touring the world. But never had he seen an urban high school with no dropouts. "Impossible," he said. "Someone will get pregnant, go to jail, get killed." Elsewhere in the nation, urban high schools report dropout rates of 20 percent to 40 percent.

A miracle? "A fantasy land," said Dr. Kimball. "They want the data to look wonderful and exciting. They don't tell you how to do it; they just say, 'Do it.'" In February, with the help of Dr. Kimball, the local television station KHOU broke the news that Sharpstown High had falsified its dropout data. That led to a state audit of 16 Houston schools, which found that of 5,500 teenagers surveyed who had left school, 3,000 should have been counted as dropouts but were not. In early August, the state appointed a monitor to oversee the district's data collection and downgraded 14 audited schools to the state's lowest rating.

Not very miraculous sounding, but here is the intriguing question: How did it get to the point that veteran principals felt they could actually claim zero dropouts? "You need to understand the atmosphere in Houston," Dr. Kimball said. "People are afraid. The superintendent has frequent meetings with principals. Before they go in, the principals are really, really scared. Panicky. They have to make their numbers."

Pressure? Some compare it to working under the old Soviet system of five-year plans. In January, just before the scandal broke, Abelardo Saavedra, deputy superintendent, unveiled Houston's latest mandates for the new year. "The districtwide student attendance rate will increase from 94.6 percent to 95 percent," he wrote. "The districtwide annual dropout rate will decrease from 1.5 percent to 1.3 percent."

Dropouts are notoriously difficult to track, particularly at a heavily Latino school like Sharpstown, with immigrants going back and forth to Mexico. Dr. Kimball said that Sharpstown shared one truant officer with several schools. Even so, Houston officials would not allow principals to write that the whereabouts of a departed student were "unknown." Last fall, Margaret Stroud, deputy superintendent, sent a memorandum warning principals to "make sure that you do not have any students coded '99,' whereabouts unknown." Too many "unknowns," she wrote, could prompt a state audit — the last thing Houston leaders wanted.

A shortage of resources to track departing students? No "unknowns" allowed? What to do? "Make it up," Dr. Kimball said. "The principals who survive are the yes men."

As for those who fail to make their numbers, it is termination time, one of many innovations championed by Dr. Paige as superintendent here from 1994 to 2001. He got rid of tenure for principals and mandated that they sign one-year contracts that allowed dismissal "without cause" and without a hearing.

On the other hand, for principals who make their numbers, it is bonus time. Principals can earn a $5,000 bonus, district administrators up to $20,000. At Sharpstown High alone, Dr. Kimball said, $75,000 in bonus money was issued last year, before the fictitious numbers were exposed.

Dr. Paige's spokesman, Dan Langan, referred dropout questions to Houston officials, but said that the secretary was proud of the accountability system he established here, that it got results and that principals freely signed those contracts.

Terry Abbott, a Houston district spokesman, agreed that both Dr. Paige and the current superintendent, Kaye Stripling, pressured principals to make district goals. "Secretary Paige said, and rightfully so, the public has a right to expect us to get this job done," Mr. Abbott said. The principals were not cowed, he said, declaring, "They thrive on it." Every administrator under Dr. Paige and Dr. Stripling, Mr. Abbott said, has understood "failure is not an option" and "that failure to do our jobs can mean that we could lose those jobs — and that's exactly the way it should be."

As for adequate resources for truant officers to verify dropouts, he said individual schools decided how to use their resources, but added, "Money is not the problem, and money by itself won't solve the issues we deal with every day."

To skeptics like Dr. Kimball, the parallels to No Child Left Behind are depressing. The federal law mandates that every child in America pass reading and math proficiency tests by 2014 — a goal many educators believe is as impossible as zero dropouts. And like Houston's dropout program, President Bush's education budget has been criticized as an underfinanced mandate, proposing $12 billion this year for Title 1, $6 billion below what the No Child Left Behind law permits. "This isn't about educating children," Dr. Kimball said. "It's about public relations."

If Houston officials were interested in accountability, he said, they would assign him to a high school to monitor the dropout data that he has come to understand so well. Instead, after he blew the whistle on Sharpstown High, he was reassigned, for four months, to sit in a windowless room with no work to do. More recently, he has been serving as the second assistant principal at a primary school, where, he said, he is not really needed. "I expect when my contract is up next January, I'll be fired," he said. "That's how it works here."

More articles here:http://www.rethinkingschools.org/special_reports/bushplan/index.shtml
 
No offense, but you post so many long articles with little information in them that I really don't have the time to dissect them all. If you can't answer it yourself in a paragraph or 2, then don't bother.
 
Seems like Houston is an example of what not to do. It doesn't mean that NCLB is a failure. It's more proof that there are too many incompetents teaching our children.
 
Kbob said:
No offense, but you post so many long articles with little information in them that I really don't have the time to dissect them all. If you can't answer it yourself in a paragraph or 2, then don't bother.

Don't know about you, but when considering issues I'd rather read articles with information gained from people with first hand knowledge than 1 or 2 paragraphs written by people who don't.
If you are taking the time to post on a thread, you should be able to take the time to read the other posts in the thread. If you can't read the other posts, yours is nothing more than something thrown in for the sake of having a post on the thread.
I post articles so that people here can gain different perspectives on the issues, not to blindly follow the leader, right or wrong.
 
97silverlsc said:
Don't know about you, but when considering issues I'd rather read articles with information gained from people with first hand knowledge than 1 or 2 paragraphs written by people who don't.
If you are taking the time to post on a thread, you should be able to take the time to read the other posts in the thread. If you can't read the other posts, yours is nothing more than something thrown in for the sake of having a post on the thread.
I post articles so that people here can gain different perspectives on the issues, not to blindly follow the leader, right or wrong.
There's a difference between informative articles and editorials. :Bang Especially when I have already answered that entire article in 2 lines in my previous post. It's the equivalent of burying someone under a pile of paperwork. Maybe you could edit out the fluff and just post the facts. It'll take you more time in your posts, but it'll save everyone else a huge amount of time.

EDIT: And where's the "creative thinking" if you just post articles? This is counter to what you are arguing against.
 
Kbob said:
I don't understand your answer. Are you saying that you are opposed to all standardized tests?

EDIT: I forgot to add all the exclamation points like you do, so !!!!!!!!!!!!!
There are tests that are reliable and work for their purpose!! But very few do!!

To test to see if a child can be passed to the next grade just doesn't work. A teacher spends a year evaluating each student to his or her ability!

To use a standardized test that is usually targeted for Texas or California and put that on the rest of the students just doesn't work!!!

I have taught for over 20 years. I have given the Iowa test of basic skill, and the Californian Achievement Test to my students. I have seen students who do very good in subject bomb these test!!

So I spend year on a student who meets all requirements to pass a subject then give the student a Standardized test and the child fails Damn I need to fail that child. That child can’t succeed!!!

Now I hold that child back and especially for the higher elementary grades this rips the child emotionally and sets this child for disaster.

I have also seen students who were retained early and when they reach 6th grade be emotionally to old to be with 12 year olds. Then you have to worry about other problems Sex is one major one!!!

I have not had a child who has been retained that the next year did better.

The only grades where retention works are Kindergarten or 1st Grade. Then I can see making students who fail classes in Middle school re-take classes and also High School.

Is there need for some work yes! But you just can’t say that a standardized test is going to solve the problems. The problems begin in the homes of these children not at school. School is where problem get discovered and addressed or develops into bigger problems when Home and School cannot work together to meet the needs of the problems.

What I see is that we have too many people angry about school situations what ever they may be and instead of working to create a better school they work to destroy the school. They don’t like that their dream child is failing or not meeting their expectations, they are not at home to work with the child, there careers are more important, the battle with their ex-spouse is in the way of the child what ever but they go after the school and do not work with the school to help their child.

Test are not going to save our schools it our life styles and putting our families first. It’s providing programs to help students after school with homework, it’s providing programs where students can learn to deal with all the other problems of their life, and somewhere in there we have to also teach the child.

What children lack these days are the 3 R’s – Respect, Responsibility, and Resourcefulness. They don’t learn these at home and nobody wants schools to teach these.

If I had students who can to school knowing the three R’s then we wouldn’t have anyone talking about standardized tests.

This is what you should be worried about… If you haven’t been in a classroom like I have been for the last 22 years you have no clue.

I am not worried about what these kids know, they are smart enough, and it’s getting them to do it. No standardized test, test this or can test this!!!

Kids don’t Respect their parents or any adult. They are not responsible check out how many students refuse to do schoolwork, and they are not resourceful, see how often they ask for the answer and when they don’t get it given to them they leave the answer blank!!!

Ok I wasn’t going to do this but I did!!!

Enough!!!!
 
Mespock, all your exclamation points do is show your irrationality. I don't participate in discussions that I have no clue on. Although I am not a teacher in a public school, I know full well of the lack of respect and responsibility in todays youth. It's funny that you bring that up because it is my opinion that this is a direct result of liberal philosophy in school discipline.

Again I say that the tests are not the failure. Your post further supports that something different needs to be done for a student that is failing these tests. Don't just hold them back and subject them to a repeat of something they've already failed. The SAT's are standardized and they work fine for almost all college entrance requirements. If your students are failing tests that other kids in other states are not, then my opinion is that there is something wrong with the teaching and/or curriculum.
 
Kbob said:
Mespock, all your exclamation points do is show your irrationality. I don't participate in discussions that I have no clue on. Although I am not a teacher in a public school, I know full well of the lack of respect and responsibility in todays youth. It's funny that you bring that up because it is my opinion that this is a direct result of liberal philosophy in school discipline.

Again I say that the tests are not the failure. Your post further supports that something different needs to be done for a student that is failing these tests. Don't just hold them back and subject them to a repeat of something they've already failed. The SAT's are standardized and they work fine for almost all college entrance requirements. If your students are failing tests that other kids in other states are not, then my opinion is that there is something wrong with the teaching and/or curriculum.

You really don't have a clue LOL....But that's ok!! I'll live through it....

You and your children will suffer through it!! LOL!! Good luck with ignorance!!!

Mespock out!! Leaving the Politics to the ignorant I have a life and I'm going to live it!! Good luck to those who want to hang on!!

Don't live to far from Canada!!! Good Luck!!!

:q :q :q :q :q :q :q :q Oops I said a bad word Liberal!! LOL
 
mespock said:
You really don't have a clue LOL....But that's ok!! I'll live through it....

You and your children will suffer through it!! LOL!! Good luck with ignorance!!!

Mespock out!! Leaving the Politics to the ignorant I have a life and I'm going to live it!! Good luck to those who want to hang on!!

Don't live to far from Canada!!! Good Luck!!!

:q :q :q :q :q :q :q :q Oops I said a bad word Liberal!! LOL
I guess I struck a nerve, huh? You may be too close to this subject to look at it objectively since you are stuck in the system. But please, pardon my "ignorance." I guess with your students, ignorance is bliss? :N
 
Bipartisan Study Assails No Child Left Behind Act
By Sam Dillon
The New York Times

Wednesday 23 February 2005

A bipartisan panel of state lawmakers that studied the effectiveness of President Bush's No Child Left Behind initiative assailed it today as a flawed, convoluted and unconstitutional education reform effort that had usurped state and local control of public schools.

While the report, based on hearings in several cities, praised the legislation's goal of ending the gap in scholastic achievement between white and minority students, most of its 77 pages was devoted to a detailed inventory and discussion of the initiative's flaws.

It found that the law undermined other school improvement efforts already under way in many states, and it said that the law's accountability system, which punishes schools whose students fail to improve steadily on standardized tests, relied on the wrong indicators.

"Under N.C.L.B., the federal government's role has become excessively intrusive in the day-to-day operations of public education," the National Conference of State Legislatures said in its panel's report. "The task force does not believe that N.C.L.B. is constitutional."

Several educational experts said the task force had accurately captured the views of thousands of state lawmakers and local educators. If so, then the Bush administration may face a growing chorus of challenges to the law and to the Department of Education's implementation of it over the coming months.

Nine state legislatures are currently considering various challenges to the law, and the Utah Senate is poised to vote on a bill already passed by its House that would require Utah education officials to give higher priority to state education laws than to the federal law.

Several business and other groups that strongly support the federal No Child Left Behind legislation took issue with the report, saying that the report's authors had overstated the quality of the state programs that they said the federal government had hampered.

In preparing their report, task force members worked for 10 months and held a series of public hearings in Washington, Chicago, Salt Lake City, New York, Santa Fe and Portland. The panel also met for deliberations in Savannah, Ga.

"They went out and heard lots of things from different people around the country, and this report reflects the breadth and depth of what they heard," said Patricia Sullivan, director of the Washington-based Center on Education Policy, who attended hearings in two cities.

An assistant secretary of education, Ray Simon, met with members of the task force in Washington today to discuss the report.

"The department will continue to work with every state to address their concerns and make this law work for their children," the Education Department said in a statement. "But the report could be interpreted as wanting to reverse the progress we've made."

It added, "No Child Left Behind is bringing new hope and new opportunity to families throughout America, and we will not reverse course."
 
I pay $4000/yr in school property taxes. One of the highest rates in the nation. A disguntled school board member printed out the salaries of each and every teacher/admin in the entire school system. Over a 1/2 dozen "Phy-Ed" teachers making $100,000+ a year, not including perks. My wife and I send 3 of our kids to private, religious schools. Why? We could be like all our selfish neighbors and use that money saved and buy all the extra perks that they do. You know, keep up with the Jones'. Why don't we? Because I compare and contast the level of education my kids get to their kids. Their kids have fancy new buildings with classrooms filled with computers and multiple gymnasiums and swimming pools. And yet every year, they come back to the well again and again with referendums to raise my taxes $500/yr for the next 20 years with their grandious plans. I want to throw up.

My kids don't have fancy digs. They have to get up at 6:00 because the bus system caters to the public school schedule, (we usually drive them anyway). A computer is shared by the class. They don't have their own like the public schools. The gym they play basketball in is exactly the same as the one I played in as a kid. It hasn't changed or even been painted. Parents still sit on metal chairs as opposed to fancy beachers.

All this talk about education makes me ill. It is all about the teacher and the student. Public education puts its money in all the wrong places. There is more than enough money to go around. We have to hold cookies sales and things like that to make ends meet. Our kids get educated on half the money that is spent per pupil in the public system. I have looked at the curriculum of both the public and private systems. There is no comparison. My kids learn about Jesus and being good to your neighbor. My neighbor kids in the same grade learn about masturbation and genital growth.


We make the sacrifice because in the end, it is the fundamental balance of a quality teacher and parents who care that provides an education. Not bricks and tile and huge salaries for tenured phy-ed teachers.

I will have wasted $6000/yr averaged over the next 28 years to pay for the education of other parents kids so they can drive a fancier car or go on an extended vacation. Simply makes me ill. Why can't I "opt" out of the public system and instead invest that money in college savings plans for my kids? Why can't I. Want to talk about fair? What's fair about the taxation system in this country that constantly steals from the rich and gives to the greedy. That's your idea of fair?

And all you guys want to do is Bash Bush because he wants to make sure that kids are getting the education that all of us are paying for. Get real. You want your kid to be a burger flipper? Send him to a public school.

The public education system is broken. The teachers union and the school boards are infested with liberals whose only agenda is to keep taking and taking, feeding off the public and demanding that nobody hold them accountable. That is the real fact about education in this country. Bashing Bush and Bashing Arnold seem to be the new game in town. If you take on the establishment, expect to hear the from the left. They are good at criticizing. Just not too good at fixing.
 
Too bad that "bipartisan panel" didn't put their heads together and come up with some kind of plan to fix whatever shortcomings NCLB may have. Just because it's labelled "bipartisan" doesn't mean it's not political in nature. NCLB = 1 step forward. If NCLB is revoked = 2 steps back.
 
MonsterMark said:
I pay $4000/yr in school property taxes. One of the highest rates in the nation. A disguntled school board member printed out the salaries of each and every teacher/admin in the entire school system. Over a 1/2 dozen "Phy-Ed" teachers making $100,000+ a year, not including perks.

Hey that mean that if I buy you a beer that It's your money :Beer :N

Thanks $100,000, Damn I wish I made that!! Where do teachers make $100,000 I want to move to that district!!

But anyway thanks a thousand!!! And on this I have now 2,000 post !!!
 
mespock said:
Hey that mean that if I buy you a beer that It's your money :Beer :N !!!
No, it means I bought your last Mark!
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That you trashed in less than a week. LOL.

mespock said:
Thanks $100,000, Damn I wish I made that!! Where do teachers make $100,000 I want to move to that district!
Just move here. Out little city was just awarded the honor of having the highest taxes in a metropolitan area of 1.5 million people. Woohoo.

mespock said:
But anyway thanks a thousand!!! And on this I have now 2,000 post !!!
Congrats. Now get busy on 3K.
 
MonsterMark said:
No, it means I bought your last Mark!
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That you trashed in less than a week. LOL.

Just move here. Out little city was just awarded the honor of having the highest taxes in a metropolitan area of 1.5 million people. Woohoo.

Congrats. Now get busy on 3K.


Welcome back how's the sunburn!!
 

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