North Korean Missile fails; NK Leaders Blame Bush

[fossten]

Reprinted from NewsMax.com

Tuesday, July 4, 2006 4:16 p.m. EDT

North Korea Test-Launches Missiles


North Korea launched a long-range missile Wednesday that may be capable of reaching the United States but it failed after 35 or 40 seconds, two State Department officials said.

The missile was one of at least three that were fired. The two others were short-range missiles. All landed in the Sea of Japan, said the Japanese government, which was unable to confirm that they included a long-range missile.

The officials in Washington, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the long-range missile was the Taepodong-2, North Korea's most advanced missile with a range of up to 9,320 miles.

The launch came after weeks of speculation that the North was preparing to test its advanced Taepodong-2 missile from a site on its northeast coast. The preparations had generated stern warnings from the United States and Japan, which had threatened possible economic sanctions in response.

The Sea of Japan lies between Japan and the Korean Peninsula.

"North Korea has gone ahead with the launch despite international protest," Chief Cabinet Secretary Shinzo Abe said. "That is regrettable from the standpoint of Japan's security, the stability of international society, and non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction."

(Just kidding on the blame Bush part)

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

FOX reports a total of 6 missles were test fired.

Yep, Mr "Axis of Evil" Kim Jong is just "cowering in fear" as a result of the "example we made of Saddam in Iraq", isn't he?

 

[MonsterMark]

Yep, Mr "Axis of Evil" Kim Jong is just "cowering in fear" as a result of the "example we made of Saddam in Iraq", isn't he?

IS that really your take on this???

 

[TheDude]

IS that really your take on this???

Well, he does bring up a good point, MANY in here have said that a byproduct (or was it a main reason?) of attacking Saddam was to show the rest of the world basically 'Don't F@#K WITH THE USA', examples of Syria cowering and withdrawing were used. But here we have a megalomaniac who has nukes and he has absolutely no fear of test firing intercontinental missiles.

What's your take on it?

 

[fossten]

My take on this is that people like Ahmadinejad and the pot-bellied dictator of DPRK will never acquiesce (see dictionary, libs) to diplomacy. The only thing they will EVER understand is force.

Knowing that, the only reason to use diplomacy is to make sure you have all your bases covered before using force. That way the liberal media and the anti-American Democrats in Congress and the meddling SCOTUS can't say you "rushed to war."

Having said that, am I the only one who noticed Johnny's glee at a malevolent country's threatening us with use of force? Could anybody hate this country more than Johnny?

 

[TheDude]

My take on this is that people like Ahmadinejad and the pot-bellied dictator of DPRK will never acquiesce (see dictionary, libs) to diplomacy. The only thing they will EVER understand is force.

Knowing that, the only reason to use diplomacy is to make sure you have all your bases covered before using force. That way the liberal media and the anti-American Democrats in Congress and the meddling SCOTUS can't say you "rushed to war."

Having said that, am I the only one who noticed Johnny's glee at a malevolent country's threatening us with use of force? Could anybody hate this country more than Johnny?

Did you get that off your word of the day calendar? You could have just said submit, comply, go along etc. etc.

No, I did not notice Johnny's glee, also, N. Korea has been shaking a stick at us and flaunting it's nukes for a LONG time now. My take on what Johnny said... He was pointing out the idiocy of people thinking we're safe from the true nut-jobs with nukes because we whopped a wussy (in comparison) like Saddam.

 

[fossten]

Did you get that off your word of the day calendar? You could have just said submit, comply, go along etc. etc.

No, I did not notice Johnny's glee, also, N. Korea has been shaking a stick at us and flaunting it's nukes for a LONG time now. My take on what Johnny said... He was pointing out the idiocy of people thinking we're safe from the true nut-jobs with nukes because we whopped a wussy (in comparison) Like Saddam.

Actually, I got the word from the Mike Tyson Vocabulary Builder-Upper Prison Manual.

Well, go look at Johnny's glee. It's obvious unless you're blind.

Your last sentence has no basis in fact. There isn't anyone in the administration who thinks that (show evidence, please). Not only that, but to say that Saddam was a wussy compared to Jong-Il is inaccurate in the extreme. Just because we made him look like a pushover doesn't automatically make Jong-Il stronger. It makes US look stronger. Finally, the tolerance of the Clinton administration can be blamed for NK having nukes.

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From Wikipedia:

On March 12, 1993, North Korea said that it planned to withdraw from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and refused to allow inspectors access to its nuclear sites. By 1994, the United States believed that North Korea had enough reprocessed plutonium to produce about 10 bombs with the amount of plutonium increasing. Faced with diplomatic pressure and the threat of American military airstrikes against the reactor, North Korea agreed to dismantle its plutonium program as part of the Agreed Framework in which South Korea and the United States would provide North Korea with light water reactors and fuel oil until those reactors could be completed. Because the light water reactors would require enriched uranium to be imported from outside North Korea, the amount of reactor fuel and waste could be more easily tracked, making it more difficult to divert nuclear waste to be reprocessed into plutonium.

Enriched uranium

However, with the abandonment of its plutonium program, North Korea secretly began an enriched uranium program. Pakistan, through Abdul Qadeer Khan, supplied key technology and information to North Korea in exchange for missile technology around 1997, according to U.S. intelligence officials.

This program was publicized in October 2002 when the United States asked North Korean officials about the program, and, according to the U.S., North Korea admitted the existence of the program [2]. According to North Korea, it replied that it is "entitled" to have such a program or "an even more powerful one" to deter a pre-emptive U.S. attack, unless the U.S. agreed to a non-aggression pact. (see below)

Although the Agreed Framework specifically prohibited then-existing plutonium programs, not uranium, the U.S. argued North Korea violated the "spirit" of the agreement. In December 2002, the United States terminated the 1994 Agreed Framework, suspending fuel oil shipments.

North Korea responded by announcing plans to reactivate a dormant nuclear fuel processing program and power plant north of Pyongyang. North Korea soon thereafter expelled U.N. inspectors and withdrew from the Non-Proliferation Treaty.

*owned*

 

[TheDude]

Actually, I got the word from the Mike Tyson Vocabulary Builder-Upper Prison Manual.

Well, go look at Johnny's glee. It's obvious unless you're blind.

Your last sentence has no basis in fact. There isn't anyone in the administration who thinks that (show evidence, please). Not only that, but to say that Saddam was a wussy compared to Jong-Il is inaccurate in the extreme. Just because we made him look like a pushover doesn't automatically make Jong-Il stronger. It makes US look stronger. Finally, the tolerance of the Clinton administration can be blamed for NK having nukes.

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From Wikipedia:

On March 12, 1993, North Korea said that it planned to withdraw from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and refused to allow inspectors access to its nuclear sites. By 1994, the United States believed that North Korea had enough reprocessed plutonium to produce about 10 bombs with the amount of plutonium increasing. Faced with diplomatic pressure and the threat of American military airstrikes against the reactor, North Korea agreed to dismantle its plutonium program as part of the Agreed Framework in which South Korea and the United States would provide North Korea with light water reactors and fuel oil until those reactors could be completed. Because the light water reactors would require enriched uranium to be imported from outside North Korea, the amount of reactor fuel and waste could be more easily tracked, making it more difficult to divert nuclear waste to be reprocessed into plutonium.

Enriched uranium

However, with the abandonment of its plutonium program, North Korea secretly began an enriched uranium program. Pakistan, through Abdul Qadeer Khan, supplied key technology and information to North Korea in exchange for missile technology around 1997, according to U.S. intelligence officials.

This program was publicized in October 2002 when the United States asked North Korean officials about the program, and, according to the U.S., North Korea admitted the existence of the program [2]. According to North Korea, it replied that it is "entitled" to have such a program or "an even more powerful one" to deter a pre-emptive U.S. attack, unless the U.S. agreed to a non-aggression pact. (see below)

Although the Agreed Framework specifically prohibited then-existing plutonium programs, not uranium, the U.S. argued North Korea violated the "spirit" of the agreement. In December 2002, the United States terminated the 1994 Agreed Framework, suspending fuel oil shipments.

North Korea responded by announcing plans to reactivate a dormant nuclear fuel processing program and power plant north of Pyongyang. North Korea soon thereafter expelled U.N. inspectors and withdrew from the Non-Proliferation Treaty.

*owned*

I guess I'm blind, I only see sarcasm in Johnny's statement, not glee. He even used the sarcasm emote... Maybe it's just me?

Jong IL is stronger for two basic reason... 1) He has WMD for certain, he parades them down the street 2) His army is far better trained and armed. Do you think we'd be able to roll in on N. Korea like we did Iraq and conquer it as quickly with less loss of life?

Yes, yes... Clinton did it all, but what does that matter in 2006 when we could have a ICBM armed with a nuke hit the west coast?

 

[Calabrio]

What is the criticism here? It seems to me like some of you guys who don't like Bush are willing to engage in mental contortions to find ways to criticize him.

North Korea is not Iraq. It's an entirely different situation that requires and entirely different approach. North Korea is a country that is so poor that outbreaks of cannabalism are frequently reported.

However, it's also a country under the influence and support of China. This greatly complicates things.

They fired six, now apparenlty seven missiles. The test was a failure. But what it appears to have done is finnally force the rest of the world to take note of this madman. And, as the news today indicates, countries like China and Russia are attending to prevent the world from responding to N.K. in a firm way.

Bush inherited this mess from Clinton. They've monitored it. They routinely attempted to resolve it through diplomatic means. Perhaps now the U.N. will more actively interject it's worthless body into the problem.

Again, when I see the left trying to get traction on this issue, it clearly demonstrates how little they know about the world.

One more thing, NO- we could not roll through N. Korea like we did in Iraq. This is just another reason that demonstrates how dramatically different the situation in Iraq was compared to the other "Axis of Evil" states.

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

I guess I'm blind, I only see sarcasm in Johnny's statement, not glee. He even used the sarcasm emote... Maybe it's just me?

Ding ding ding!! We have a winner. Yet it is of no surprise that fossten attempts to twist my words/statements and interject (look it up RWWs) his own interpretation (look it up RWWs) of my statements so that he can "fabricate" (look it up RWWs) an enemy within the halls of this board so that, in his atomically small mind, can feel big about himself for fantasizing (look it up RWWs) about "kicking someone's arse" on a cyber-message board.

:bowrofl: How pathetic.

Your last sentence has no basis in fact. There isn't anyone in the administration who thinks that (show evidence, please).

... which was in response to:

He was pointing out the idiocy of people thinking we're safe from the true nut-jobs with nukes because we whopped a wussy (in comparison) Like Saddam.

DAVID, for you to sit there and claim that the BuSh administration, and nearly EVERY RWW nut job on this board, has NOT time and time again yelled and screamed at the top of their lungs in front of cameras and have been quoted in print that "AMERICA IS SAFER WITH SADDAM REMOVED FROM POWER" is a bald-faced LIE. You are living in DENIAL. You are attempting to revise history. I don't even need to waste my time pulling together the "evidence" you seek because anyone with a brain can read thread after thread, news story after news story and SEE THOSE FACTS.

I never thought it possible, but you have now achieved a credibility rating in the NEGATIVE NUMBERS, which means, whatever you say or claim as "fact", only the OPPOSITE is actually true.

Do us ALL a favor and GO AWAY with your worthless banter and quit wasting bandwidth here.

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

As for your claim of blaming it on Clinton.........

On March 12, 1993, North Korea said that it planned to withdraw from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and refused to allow inspectors access to its nuclear sites.

Gee, Clinton was in office for less than 3 months before NK made this move. The momentum of NK's attitude towards us and the rest of the world was started LONG before Clinton took office.

By 1994, the United States believed that North Korea had enough reprocessed plutonium to produce about 10 bombs with the amount of plutonium increasing. Faced with diplomatic pressure and the threat of American military airstrikes against the reactor, North Korea agreed to dismantle its plutonium program as part of the Agreed Framework in which South Korea and the United States would provide North Korea with light water reactors and fuel oil until those reactors could be completed. Because the light water reactors would require enriched uranium to be imported from outside North Korea, the amount of reactor fuel and waste could be more easily tracked, making it more difficult to divert nuclear waste to be reprocessed into plutonium.

Do you even READ what you post?? Oh SNAP! That's RIGHT, you can't comprehend a damn thing you read, whether I or 95DevilleNS or Wikipedia writes it. Clinton DID put pressure on NK, he DIDN'T "roll out the red carpet" for them as you claim.
*owned*

 

[Calabrio]

DAVID, for you to sit there and claim that the BuSh administration, and nearly EVERY RWW nut job on this board, has NOT time and time again yelled and screamed at the top of their lungs in front of cameras and have been quoted in print that "AMERICA IS SAFER WITH SADDAM REMOVED FROM POWER" is a bald-faced LIE.

You are living in DENIAL. You are attempting to revise history. I don't even need to waste my time pulling together the "evidence" you seek because anyone with a brain can read thread after thread, news story after news story and SEE THOSE FACTS.

I have never read anyone say that by removing Hussein from power, the United States had succeeded in finally making the world "safe." The argument is that one rogue oil rich regime with nuclear aspirations and chemical weapons has been removed and 20 million people were freed from his oppression.

Some of you people have a terribly difficult problem understanding foreign policy. There is never a single threat in the world. And you don't address one problem at a time. Because North Korea is on the horizon, you don't Iraq. You don't engage Iran the same way you treat Iraq. When you enter the realm of international politics and foreign policy, you are forced to deal with a nightmarish area of political obsticles ranging from economic, social, and even personality politics.

Iraq was clearly a simplier military target than Iran or Iraq. It had a weakened regime in power, and most important, it was on real estate that is extremely strategically important to access while engaging in a war on terrorism. Korea is standing behind the pant leg of red China and the thousands of year history regarding invasions of South Asian countries doesn't need to be repeated here.

Do us ALL a favor and GO AWAY with your worthless banter and quit wasting bandwidth here.

How funny. If we're going to start asking people to leave here, I would have reserved that very same request for you.

 

[Calabrio]

As for your claim of blaming it on Clinton.........

Gee, Clinton was in office for less than 3 months before NK made this move. The momentum of NK's attitude towards us and the rest of the world was started LONG before Clinton took office.

Do some more research. Clinton appeased the North Koreans through out his entire tenure as President. Madeline Albright has writen extensively regarding the administrations policy while was secretary of state.

It's ridiculous to expect all of us to teach you the 15 year history of North Korea to order to have an intelligent conversation. But we all know, that's not what you're interested in anyway, Johnny. You just want to engage your hit-and-run attacks.

Do you even READ what you post?? Oh SNAP! That's RIGHT, you can't comprehend a damn thing you read, whether I or 95DevilleNS or Wikipedia writes it. Clinton DID put pressure on NK, he DIDN'T "roll out the red carpet" for them as you claim.

Enough with the poorly constructed personal attacks.

Why don't you try to tell us what he did, how did he address the North Koreans. Explain to us the successes of his policy. Back up your statement.


-and could someone please retire that "owned" tag?

 

[TheDude]

Iraq was clearly a simplier military target than Iran or Iraq. It had a weakened regime in power, and most important, it was on real estate that is extremely strategically important to access while engaging in a war on terrorism. Korea is standing behind the pant leg of red China and the thousands of year history regarding invasions of South Asian countries doesn't need to be repeated here.

That statement reminded me of a line from one of my favorite movies (easily makes the list on my personal 'Top 10')

"Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha..."

Vizzini - The Princess Bride circa 1987

 

[fossten]

Gee, Clinton was in office for less than 3 months before NK made this move. The momentum of NK's attitude towards us and the rest of the world was started LONG before Clinton took office.

Gee, I could use the same logic to PROVE that 9/11 happened because of the mess left by Clinton, couldn't I?
*owned*

Do you even READ what you post?? Oh SNAP! That's RIGHT, you can't comprehend a damn thing you read, whether I or 95DevilleNS or Wikipedia writes it. Clinton DID put pressure on NK, he DIDN'T "roll out the red carpet" for them as you claim.
*owned*

Baloney. Clinton fell like a sucker for NK lies and deceit and cheating. You must be the only dolt on this planet that doesn't know that NK abrogated the agreement made with the sucker Clinton.

You obviously didn't read this part:

However, with the abandonment of its plutonium program, North Korea secretly began an enriched uranium program. Pakistan, through Abdul Qadeer Khan, supplied key technology and information to North Korea in exchange for missile technology around 1997, according to U.S. intelligence officials.

Talk about revising history. Think again.

*owned*

Your anger is blinding you to truth printed in front of your eyes, Johnny. You, sir are getting boring with your personal attacks and ignorance.

 

[cww102174]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060706/ap_on_re_as/nkorea_missiles

SEOUL, South Korea - A defiant
North Korea on Thursday threatened to test-fire more missiles and warned of even stronger action if opponents of the tests put pressure on the country, amid signs of further activity at the reclusive regime's launch sites. The Bush administration dismissed the threat.
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"We're certainly not going to overreact ... to these wild statements out of Pyongyang and North Korea," said Undersecretary R. Nicholas Burns. "We've seen them before."

The further show of bravado by Pyongyang came amid intense diplomatic jockeying by the United States and its allies to prod the
U.N. Security Council to take stern action against the North's seven missile tests Wednesday.

In its first statement on the launches, North Korea's Foreign Ministry insisted the communist state had the right to test its missiles and argued the weapons were needed for defense.

"The successful missile launches were part of our military's regular military drills to strengthen self-defense," said the statement, which was carried by the state-run Korean Central News Agency. "As a sovereign country, this is our legal right and we are not bound by any international law or bilateral or multilateral agreements."

The statement did not mention the apparent failure of the most advanced missile it tested, the long-range Taepodong-2, which security officials say aborted less than a minute after takeoff.

The ministry also appeared to confirm mounting fears in
South Korea that the North was preparing for further launches. South Korean officials said intelligence showed continued activity at Northern missile sites, though at least one official said another launch was not imminent.

Pyongyang vowed to retaliate against efforts to interfere with the launches, but it did not specify what it would do.

"Our military will continue with missile launch drills in the future as part of efforts to strengthen self-defense deterrent. If anyone intends to dispute or add pressure about this, we will have to take stronger physical actions in other forms," the statement said.

At the
United Nations, splits emerged among the critics of the North's testing program. China, the North's closest ally, and Russia, which has been trying to re-establish Soviet-era ties with Pyongyang, said only diplomacy could halt North Korea's nuclear and rocket development programs.

Japan, within range of North Korean missiles, circulated a U.N. Security Council resolution Wednesday that would ban any country from transferring funds, material and technology that could be used in North Korea's missile and weapons of mass destruction programs.

China and Russia countered that they favor a weaker council statement without any threat of sanctions. Both countries hold veto power on the council.

Council experts were to meet again Thursday morning and council ambassadors may then meet in the afternoon to review progress, the diplomats said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the session was closed.

In a bid to coordinate strategy,
President Bush held separate telephone talks Thursday morning with the leaders of Japan and South Korea to consult on the North, but with differing results.

Japanese officials said Tokyo and Washington agreed to push for sanctions against Pyongyang, while South Korean officials said they agreed only to cooperate in diplomacy, with no mention of punishing North Korea.

Chief U.S. nuclear negotiator Christopher Hill was to head to the region this week. Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice also planned to visit South Korea in late July for talks on North Korea, South Korea's Foreign Ministry said.

In addition, China's Vice Foreign Minister Wu Dawei will travel to North Korea next week to urge a return to the stalled six-party nuclear disarmament talks, the ministry said.

The report also said that Wu had proposed bilateral U.S.-North Korean talks, and said the missile launches were probably in reaction to a U.S. crackdown on alleged North Korean counterfeiting, money-laundering and other wrongdoing.

The missiles, all of which apparently fell harmlessly into the sea, provoked international condemnation, the convening of an emergency meeting of the Security Council and calls in Japan for economic sanctions. Japan's ruling party was set to give rapid consideration to a bill to impose the sanctions, but the measure would not be implemented until a fall session of parliament.

South Korean media reported Thursday, meanwhile, that North Korea has three or four more missiles on launch pads and ready for firing. The North has also barred people from sailing into some areas off the coast until July 11 in a possible sign of preparations for additional launches, Chosun Ilbo newspaper said.

South Korea's National Intelligence Service "is closely watching the situation by keeping in mind that North Korea could fire a missile after repairing a technical defect," Choi Jun-taek, a senior official at the agency, told the National Assembly, according to agency spokesman Choi Jae-kun. The spokesman, however, said another missile test isn't imminent, adding it will take time for the country to repair the glitches.

The Japanese government also said there were no immediate signs of long-range missile launch.

Despite the rise in tensions, South Korean officials said they had no plans to abandon their strategy of trying to forge stronger ties with Pyongyang. While Seoul condemned the missile tests, it has also called for "patient dialogue" rather than sanctions in response.

Bush has urged world leaders to stand united in demanding that North Korea give up its nuclear weapons program, saying the communist nation remains a threat even though its long-range missile faltered. The U.S. administration said North Korea's barrage of seven test missiles further walled off the reclusive nation from the rest of the world.

"One thing we have learned is that the rocket didn't stay up very long and tumbled into the sea, which doesn't, frankly, diminish my desire to solve this problem," Bush said.

___

Associated Press writers Edith M. Lederer and Nick Wadhams at the United Nations and Hiroko Tabuchi in Tokyo contributed to this report.



I've read with you guys have been saying here on this post, but my question is what do we do now that he is threating to test more? He has already show that he doens't give a F--K what anybody has to say. He has done it once so whats to stop him from testing again. Sanctions did work with Saddam and I can't see them working for this guy either.

 

[MAC1]

Jong-Il is looking for attention and I think making too much of his missile launches will just feed his ego and make him feel important when, in fact, he’s just a too bit immature dictator. I sincerely doubt that he’s stupid enough to launch an armed missile towards the U.S. even if he had one since he understands that, if he did, the "good life" would come to a sudden end. He's having too much fun as a gourmet cook, collecting cars, and womanizing to jeopardize his little oasis by foolishly threatening the U.S. with a missile. The bigger problem is his willingness to sell nuclear technology to terrorists and rogue nations like Iran. Jong-Il may be crazy (like a fox), but there are individuals out there that make even him look like the Tooth Fairy.

 

[MonsterMark]

are getting boring with your personal attacks and ignorance.

All you guys with the personal attacks are getting boring. Stick to the arguments. Leave the name calling to the 10 year kids on the playground. Thanks.

 

[fossten]

Jong-Il is looking for attention and I think making too much of his missile launches will just feed his ego and make him feel important when, in fact, he’s just a too bit immature dictator. I sincerely doubt that he’s stupid enough to launch an armed missile towards the U.S. even if he had one since he understands that, if he did, the "good life" would come to a sudden end. He's having too much fun as a gourmet cook, collecting cars, and womanizing to jeopardize his little oasis by foolishly threatening the U.S. with a missile. The bigger problem is his willingness to sell nuclear technology to terrorists and rogue nations like Iran. Jong-Il may be crazy (like a fox), but there are individuals out there that make even him look like the Tooth Fairy.

I don't think Jong-Il would be afraid to launch a missile at the US if someone like Hillary or Kerry (who served in Vietnam) were president. I think you're right about everything else you said, though.

What we should do is send in a SEAL team and wipe out his missiles on the ground and send a message. He's on the other side of the world. What's he gonna do, threaten us AGAIN? People like him don't understand anything but a punch in the mouth.

North Korea's a wonderful nation, isn't it? A testament to the failures of communism (notice the difference with South Korea):

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

All you guys with the personal attacks are getting boring. Stick to the arguments. Leave the name calling to the 10 year kids on the playground. Thanks.

Uh, yeah right. Check who (as always) starts the personal attack downward spiral in every thread he posts in (5th post down from the top):

Having said that, am I the only one who noticed Johnny's glee at a malevolent country's threatening us with use of force? Could anybody hate this country more than Johnny?

Back on topic........

Baloney. Clinton fell like a sucker for NK lies and deceit and cheating. You must be the only dolt on this planet that doesn't know that NK abrogated the agreement made with the sucker Clinton.

Nobody here is arguing that Clinton was certainly deceived by NK. But to squarely place the blame for TODAY's situation w/ NK solely on Clinton (as you RWWs do for damn near everthing) is disingenuous. NK entered the nuclear age in the 1980s during the Regan administration, it festered during BuSh I, and Clinton attempted to derail it (but in retrospect failed) in the '90s. Then in '02 when it became obvious NK was a serious nuclear threat, instead of addressing the situation head on, GW Bush bent over and stuck our head in the sand in Iraq and spread our collective a-s-s cheeks wide for NK to rattle their saber at. Now Kim Jong Il has a hard-on at the sight of our pink pucker.

George Bush, George Bush, What cha gonna do now? What cha gonna do?

 

[Calabrio]

Nobody here is arguing that Clinton was certainly deceived by NK. But to squarely place the blame for TODAY's situation w/ NK solely on Clinton (as you RWWs do for damn near everything) is disingenuous.

He had eight years.

You refer to the President sticking his head in the sand, but you incorrectly attribute it. You're falling into the simplistic liberal world view that contends we can only address one problem at a time.

Diplomatic means have been employed since Bush took office. Are you now arguing that we should launch a preemptive strike on the North Koreans now? Again, Democrat hypocrisy. We've attempted to work through the UN, we're working with six-party talks.

Clinton is blamed for the situation because the decisions he made lead directly to the situation we have right now. Had he been a better President, or appointed better advisors and cabinet members, the situation we're looking at would be dramatically different.

Using your logic, we could pass the blame down centuries and just blame this on Japanese aggression.

You keep posting with your owned tag, but all you have accomplished is demonstrating to us all just how limited your knowledge is.

Then in '02 when it became obvious NK was a serious nuclear threat, instead of addressing the situation head on, GW Bush bent over and stuck our head in the sand in Iraq and spread our collective a-s-s cheeks wide for NK to rattle their saber at. Now Kim Jong Il has a hard-on at the sight of our pink pucker.

Your vile analogy is not only foul but completely incorrect.

George Bush, George Bush, What cha gonna do now? What cha gonna do?

What's your suggestion.

Perhaps we could go the appeasement route you liberals are so fond of, leaving it for the next administration.

Prememptive strike?

By the way, why do you phrase this issue as though it is solely the concern of the United States? Worst case scenario has N.Korea as a destabilizing threat in Asia, putting countries like Japan or Australia at risk.

Which brings us back to the question, WHERE THE HELL IS THE U.N? Are we going to need these events to, once again, demonstrate the absolute ineffectiveness and corruption of that institution?

So, Johnny, which is it- military strikes, diplomacy, or appeasement. Those are the basic choices. Pick.

 

[cww102174]

What we should do is send in a SEAL team and wipe out his missiles on the ground and send a message. He's on the other side of the world. What's he gonna do, threaten us AGAIN? People like him don't understand anything but a punch in the mouth.

Sounds good I agree with that, but I feel we should have done that in Iraq also. As for "What's he gonna do, threaten us AGAIN?" I think he would. This isn't the first time we've had a problem with this guy. Think about it we are so into Iraq and we aren't pulling out of there anytime soon, now is the prefect time for him to do this kind or sh--. Regardless of who is in office what could we really do right now? Hopefully the UN will be more of a help in trying to control this guy.

 

[MonsterMark]

I remember the Presidential debate back in '04 when Kerry was pushing for unilateral talks with the North Koreans. Bush said, sorry, Clinton has been there and done that. Bush said he would stay with the 6 party talks and he has. Can you imagine if Kerry had wanted 6 party talks (oops, at one point he did, flip-flopper) and now Kim wanted unilateral? Kerry would be falling over himself to appease the guy.

This is an Asian problem. Let Japan and China and South Korea deal with it directly. We should just be there to cheerlead and to back up any military or economic actions that may need to take place.

Btw, everytime I see that Madelaine Albright on T.V., I am scared to death but thankful to God she is not in her position now.

 

[chriswells78]

I have the solution, Pay Russia 63Bil to wipe N. Korea off the face of the earth. They are the ones going to benefit from a world less that snotty nosed brat of a dictator.

You see, there is a huge Russian petroleum company that supplys S. Korea with natural gas from fields in Siberia. Without a North Korea, they could build a pipeline from Russia to S. Korea. Thus making gas cheaper for S. Korea and greater profits for the Russian company.

OPINION: 80% of the global problems the US has in the world today are a result of mismanagement of geo policy during the 8 years of Clinton. N. Korea, Somalia, Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan, Venisuela (SP?). He is also the reason that our military was no longer feared like they were during the Regan years. I can speak from experience because I served under the Billy-Bob administration. I saw our budgets slashed to the point that my battalion went on a 2 week training exercise and I was given 20 rounds of ammunition for the whole 2 weeks (I was a M249 SAW gunner). He slashed the budget for the CIA as well, but he beefed up the budget for the FBI, ATF and US Marshals. Go figure. The guy was more concerned with taking out his own people than defending them from outsiders.

The other 20% if the responsibility rests upon the UN, IMO.

Kim Jon Il is the bastard child of old Communist Russia and China. Neither of them really want anything to do with it anymore but they created it so they are sort of responsible for it. Push them into resolving the issue.


As for the comment above about using a Seal Team to take out the missiles, I don't think that is a good idea seeing how we are involved in a "War on Terror" and most nations would consider that a terrorist action. No better than the Plaestineans kidnapping an Isreali soldier or Isreali's arresting Palestinean politicians.

 

[taylor414ce2003]

war and violence has never solved anything in the history of man
ww1 yup sure solved the problem of dictators they can never rise to power
ww2 yup those Japs learned from ww1 to not to try to take over the world- they did anyway buy stealing our technolgy and making it better .now we owe them milloins of $s
korea- ya we kicked ass overthere now everthing is peacefull
vietnam-oh ya that was a police action cant consider it war
dessert storm-another asskicking by USA now they all live in peace and harmony in the sand dunes with happy hr every weds nite