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Sure, it all depends on how you want to do the math, $/patient or $/expendature. Seems pretty subjective to me, this could be debated from either side. But either way, it doesn't appear that any public option anywhere close to the inefficiency of Medicare could possibly threaten the existance of the private insurance industry.
 
Cal, its clear you haven't read
No, it's clear you don't like my response.
And in the post that followed, I posted another study that debunked your claims and evidence of efficiency.
We can do this all day.

Again, if "government run health care" is so inefficient as you claim, then how is it going to run the private insurance industry out of buisness?
Because it's subsidized by tax payer money.
How can you have "competition" is one of the parties is incapable of ever failing?

To use your UPS/FedEx argument, how is it that the USPS hasn't run them out of town? The facts do not support this argument you continue to kick around.
Because Fed Ex/UPS were a response to the inefficiencies of the USPS.
The USPS wasn't created with the intention of running the other two out of business.

But your example undermines your point.
Why hasn't the USPS gone out of business? Because it's tax payer funded.
Just last week, the Post Office announced that it lost $2,400,000,000 in the last quarter. The U.S. Post Office, right now, is anticipating a SEVEN BILLION DOLLAR LOSS at the end of the year.

So in 2009, it's anticipating losing $7,000,000,000.

In 2008, it lost $2,800,000,000.

In 2007, it lost $5,400,000,000.

And you still owe me an answer on this.

If the final bill provided a public option while guaranteeing private insurance can’t get “phased out” over time like you claim it will, would you accept having a public option?
No, I'd still oppose the bill

More difficult? Yes. "Virtually impossible"? That's a gross exaggeration. Quit making up excuses for the GOP. This is a very WEAK argument.
It's not a gross exaggeration at all.
However, your dismissal of it is pretty weak-

Pelosi's decision to eliminate the Fairness Rules was deliberate and, by design, it prevents the political minority from having influence.
Are you going to condemn that action by the part of the Democrat Majority, or just blame the minority party for their ineffectiveness?

One would think that the only reason the GOP is so opposed to legislation that would keep the private insurance industry honest and would cut into their outragious profits to benefit taxpayers and consumers is because the GOP is in the pocket of the insurance industry.
If you were to believe the rhetoric from the White House, you might. But that'd be wrong. It's unfortunate that you're compelled to make opposition to this bill a partisan issue. It's not.

Look Cal, we keep going in circles here, I'm trying really hard to have a debate with you. But you apparently don't care enough to read my posts and links, or don't really believe in the positions you've taken and are just shooting talking points from the hip without doing your research. Either way, I'm about done wasting my time here.
Interesting because I would say the same to you.
 
Go ahead genius, "own" me by showing that increase premiums are totally un-related to increase care costs. Again, I'm waiting. If you continue your childish kicking and screaming, I'm not going to waste my time. The ball is in YOUR court.

Ahh, no the ball is, and has been, in your court. You have yet to meet the evidenciary burden of proof here all you have done is cite tangential facts that don't disprove the notion that the rise in premiums is due to a rise in costs. All you have done is try to assert something as true that is economically unrealistic and that the facts you cite don't logically support.

You are not entitled to your own reality. The laws of supply and demand cannot be circumvented yet what you are asserting ignores those laws by assuming flawed marxist economic views.

It is clear that you are trying to say that greed somehow caused the premiums to go up, but that ignores reality. To paraphrase a line I read a few days ago, to blame the increase in health insurance premiums on "greed" is like blaming plane crashes on gravity. Certainly planes wouldn't crash if it wasn't for gravity. But when thousands of planes fly millions of miles every day without crashing, explaining why a particular plane crashed because of gravity gets you nowhere.

Basically, what you are doing is ignoring whatever factors lead to the rise in premiums and instead blaming it on a factor (greed) that is present in the rise of premiums but cannot, due to economic reality, raise premiums. Some other factor(s) (like increased costs, increases in state government imposed "premium taxes", etc) lead to the increase in premiums. There is no other economically realistic
 
a rebuttal to your rebuttal cal...;)

Your "rebuttal" is basically a series of red herrings that misses the point in a lot of ways. In doesn't really "rebut" the original argument, but only critiques around the margins and claims to substantively rebut the original argument.

I do find it interesting that you were preaching about not using bias sources a while ago but see no problem in using them yourself. Care to justify that double standard?
 
Your "rebuttal" is basically a series of red herrings that misses the point in a lot of ways. In doesn't really "rebut" the original argument, but only critiques around the margins and claims to substantively rebut the original argument.

I do find it interesting that you were preaching about not using bias sources a while ago but see no problem in using them yourself. Care to justify that double standard?

It was a joke - the little winkie shag - you can rebut and re-rebut, and then rebut again... until you are just in a circle of wicked rebuts... that is why the little winkie - maybe you need numerous winkies...;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
 
It was a joke - the little winkie shag - you can rebut and re-rebut, and then rebut again... until you are just in a circle of wicked rebuts... that is why the little winkie - maybe you need numerous winkies...;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
In other words, you weren't debating in good faith.
 

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