fossten
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Same here.
Obama has removed the Fight The Smears Website Birth Certificate
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I think you really see the effect of a group of people feeling powerless and maybe even isolated in this case of 'classic conspiracy theory.' How menaced do people like Bryan feel because changes are happening that they either: 1) opposed those changes; or 2) feel impotent regarding the results of these changes.
And although I wouldn't disagree that some of these people who are perpetrating this theory are intelligent, it seems to have a snowball effect, and they seem to be feeding and generating more and more ridiculous sources and reasons, which starts to reflect on the overall 'smarts' of the individuals involved.
It really is classic conspiracy theory.
And although I wouldn't disagree that some of these people who are perpetrating this theory are intelligent, it seems to have a snowball effect, and they seem to be feeding and generating more and more ridiculous sources and reasons, which starts to reflect on the overall 'smarts' of the individuals involved.
It really is classic conspiracy theory.
MonsterMark
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One simple question for you. What kind of Birth Certificate does Obama's sister have and where was she born?
MonsterMark
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Ya, real conspiracy theory.
Obama admits to his father being a British subject at birth and his mom is only 18 and therefore couldn't give him citizenship.
So he's not a Natural Born Citizen which makes him a usurper which makes all the legislation he signs invalid as he is not really the President.
And I'm wasting my time defending the Constitution over a "nuanced constitutional concept"?
LMAO
When the drywall guy from Mexico City, Mexico runs for President and wins, what will you say then? More nuance?
TheDude
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Indonesian, Obama's mother moved there and remarried, or remarried and moved there, I forget.
If you're claiming that proves Obama must be Indonesian then:
1) It's his half-sister, hence the remarried aspect
2) Wasn't Obama supposedly born in Kenya to begin with?
edit: Or has the tactic reverted to: He was born in Hawaii, but his father's status defaults the Constitutional eligibly status. Like I said, this conspiracy has too many non-geling facets. Best to pick one and give it your all.
But, classic conspiracy theory is based on the octopus idea - lots and lots of tentacles, and when one doesn't pan out - you have more to fall back on. Ohhhh, he wasn't born in America, and even if he was, he moved to the Indonesia and enrolled in school there so he must be a Indonesian citizen, but if not that, his mother was too young to be considered a citizen herself when Obama was born, so he should be considered a Kenyan, oh, and we aren't sure which hospital he was born in, there are conflicting reports, and what about his sister... well, half sister, that is years younger than he is... I am sure there are dozens more...
MonsterMark
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Correct. Maya was born in Indonesia but how did she wind up with a Hawaiian COLB?
I think he was either born on the water, hence the Messiah mystique and the god complexion, or in Canada.
Hawaii claims they have a long-form birth certificate in their possession. But Hawaii has not stated that Obama was BORN IN HAWAII. He could have a B.C. showing he was born outside the U.S. and his COLB could still be in compliance with the law. All one needed prior to 1972 was the UNCORROBORATED testimony of a single family member prior to the age of one and the only stipulation required would be that of the mother living there at least one year previous.
So basically, Grandmama could sign him up and make the claim that her daughter lived in Hawaii the previous year and bing-bang-boom, no doctors signature, no hospital required to get one.
You got it. Obama has already admitted he is not constitionally eligible and the issue sits there inb front of everybody's nose.
Do you really think a chubby white guy could get away with this? Half of this issue is about race. Don't attack Obama because he is our first African-American President. Horse-hockey. He is either a usurper or a narcissist by not paying the $10 bucks and providing the permission for the hospital(s) and the State of Hawaii to release his records.
MonsterMark
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And here is some FANTASTIC news... just out today, July 13, 2009!!!!!
Obama eligibility case will be heard on merits !!
Please distribute everywhere.
Just got off the phone with Orly Taitz, the attorney in Keyes v. Obama.
At the hearing today at the Federal Court building in Santa Ana, Judge Carter said the following:
1. There will be a trial.
2. It will be heard on the merits.
3. Nothing will be dismissed on proceedural issues.
4. The trial will be expeditious, and the judge pledged to give case priority.
5. Being a former Marine he realizes the importance of having a Constitutionally qualified POTUS/CINC.
6. Judge stated that if Obama isn’t Constitutionally qualifed he needs to leave the White House.
Obama eligibility case will be heard on merits !!
Please distribute everywhere.
Just got off the phone with Orly Taitz, the attorney in Keyes v. Obama.
At the hearing today at the Federal Court building in Santa Ana, Judge Carter said the following:
1. There will be a trial.
2. It will be heard on the merits.
3. Nothing will be dismissed on proceedural issues.
4. The trial will be expeditious, and the judge pledged to give case priority.
5. Being a former Marine he realizes the importance of having a Constitutionally qualified POTUS/CINC.
6. Judge stated that if Obama isn’t Constitutionally qualifed he needs to leave the White House.
MonsterMark
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Here's more conspiracy to make your head spin...
Can you hear me now ?
by DefendUSx July 14, 2009 00:08
"Can you hear me now??" .. It's what millions of "birthers" have been saying for months, and for some, over a year now. I guess the voice of the Constitution just got a little louder, but still can't quite be heard, yet.
The "hijacking" of the US Government has been long since planned by Marxists like George Soros, and Zbigniew Brzezinski. The fact of the this very serious matter is, Obama knows more about the old Russian Constitution then he does the US Constitution. Let me explain.
Obama is recruited at Columbia University by Marxist CIA Officer and Professor
When attending Columbia University as an Indonesian foreign student, Obama was one of eight students recruited by Brzezinski to study "Sovietology". By this time, Brzezinski had worked his way up the ladder in the CIA to become one of its' top officers.
"Brzezinski, a CIA expert on the Soviet Union, teaches international relations and is the head of the Institute for Communist Affairs at Columbia." Brzezinski wrote a book called "The Grand Chess Board", which is a blueprint for world domination by a one world government, led by he and his Marxist cronies, of course. Using the USA's innovation and wealth, Brzezinski talks about taking over Eurasia and more. Here are some quotes from The Grand Chess Board: "Ever since the continents started interacting politically, some five hundred years ago, Eurasia has been the center of world power." "The formulation of a comprehensive and integrated Eurasian geostrategy is therefore the purpose of this book."
"A power that dominates Eurasia would control two of the world's three most advanced and economically productive regions. A mere glance at the map also suggests that control over Eurasia would almost automatically entail Africa's subordination"
"It follows that America's primary interest is to help ensure that no single power comes to control this geopolitical space and that the global community has unhindered financial and economic access to it."
"In the long run, global politics are bound to become increasingly uncongenial to the concentration of hegemonic power in the hands of a single state"
As you can see, Brzezinski is obsessed with getting control of the Middle East (Eurasia) because of all its' resources.
Why Obama was the near perfect choice to implement the final phase of the world agenda
Like Obama said "I am going to change the world" at several speeches during the campaign. He said this because he has been trained to subdue the US by handing her over to the UN, slowly but surely. Everything he does, he has been prepared for in advance by his "handlers", namely, the CIA faction that is partnered with the Tri-lateral Commission and Council on Foreign Relations. Each group are partnered towards a common agenda .. a one world order under their management.
Obama was an obvious choice because of a few things and here they are:
•Obama's Grandparents and Mother were already recruited by this CIA faction since Obama's Grandpa worked for David Rockefeller and his "Standard Oil Company" that helped power German Submarines (David was the old guy in the Wheel Chair that appeared in front of Obama on national television recently over Memorial Day.).
•Lolo Soetoro, Obama's stepfather, was a Rockefeller henchman set up in Indonesia under Rocekfeller's Oil front called "Mobil Oil". Obama was purposely schooled in Islam to understand their culture. Nearly Obama's whole life has been "scripted" by his families CIA connections and recruiters. From the movie Total Recall - "Your whole life is just a dream Quade".
•Obama was Black (he has Arab ancestory too, but looks Black) and had a Muslim name - which his "handlers" had him change to for engaging the Muslim Community. He originally went by "Barry Soetoro" for years, and then changed the name early on when running for political offices. A strategy to lure Muslim countries into the Western World Order paradigm led by these factions/partnerships for a one world order.
Why the records are sealed...
Do you now see why Obama has his records sealed and many do not dare confront him on these sensitive issues? The truth is, Obama doesn't even have a lot of the records Americans are requesting. Obama did not teach "Constutional Law" as a Professor at Chicago University. A blatent lie sold to the impressionable. There are no records of him teaching at Chicago as a Professor of Law, and no staff or students remember him. You'll get an "Obot" claiming to remember him, but that is a lame attempt to give credibility to that topic.
No one remembers Obama's birth in Hawaii - the hospital's have no records - zero. His Mother and Grandmother's death - no bodies, and no one remembers Obama's Mom at any hospitals in HI being treated for Cancer. The hospitals have no record of her stay - zero records. Obama's Mother didn't even have Death Certificate until just a couple of months before the election, because someone noticed there was none, and low-and-behold, within a few days she magically had one appear in a database that previously had nothing.
Real-Estate transactions have been found under a known Alias of Stanley A. Dunham as recently has 2008 potentially lending to the family real-estate fraud and transactions using the old Muslim Hiawatha scamming system that is commonly used by many Marxists in the US pretending to be or calling themselves "Philanthropists" - typical "Getting rich off the Poor" predatory lending schemes.
Timothy Geithner and Barry Soetoro - two Puppets in a Pod
Obama's Mother worked for the current Treasury Secretarie's Father - Paul Geithner in Indoensia for the Ford Foundation.
The Obama/Geithner connection:
Peter F. Geithner, Treasury Secretary Geithner's father, worked for the Ford Foundation.
Peter was director of the Asia program at the Ford Foundation, a New World Order (NWO) operation. Peter Geithner oversaw the "microfinance" programs developed in Indonesia by Ann Dunham-Soetoro, Barack Obama’s mother.
Did you know that when Son of Stanley was going to school in Los Angeles, he went with a Pakistani friend to visit his mother in Indonesia, who was working for Peter Geithner at that time. After this, he spent a couple weeks in Pakistan, before he abruptly transferred to Columbia in New York where Peter Geithner was headquartered
A little more about Peter Geithner and his ties to known NWO operations:
Peter F. Geithner is an advisor to the Asia Center at Harvard University and a consultant to the Asia Pacific Philanthropy Consortium, Rockefeller Foundation, Sasakawa Peace Foundation, and other organizations. He serves on the boards of the National Committee on United States-China Relations, the China Center for Economic Research (Peking University), the Center for the Advanced Study of India (University of Pennsylvania), Clemente (Holdings) Asia, Inc., and the Institute of Current World Affairs.
Do you now see why Timothy Geithner was chosen to be Treasurey Secretary? Not because Obama chose him, but because the Federal Reserve and their partners in crime (including that CIA Faction) put him there. Both Timothy and Obama are Puppets because of their family histories and associations with these "Globalists" seeking a one world order in which 20% (they and their partners) would own the other 80%. Timothy, before being posted to Treasury Secretary, was President of the Federal Reserve branch in New York.
more coming in a bit ...
Can you hear me now ?
by DefendUSx July 14, 2009 00:08
"Can you hear me now??" .. It's what millions of "birthers" have been saying for months, and for some, over a year now. I guess the voice of the Constitution just got a little louder, but still can't quite be heard, yet.
The "hijacking" of the US Government has been long since planned by Marxists like George Soros, and Zbigniew Brzezinski. The fact of the this very serious matter is, Obama knows more about the old Russian Constitution then he does the US Constitution. Let me explain.
Obama is recruited at Columbia University by Marxist CIA Officer and Professor
When attending Columbia University as an Indonesian foreign student, Obama was one of eight students recruited by Brzezinski to study "Sovietology". By this time, Brzezinski had worked his way up the ladder in the CIA to become one of its' top officers.
"Brzezinski, a CIA expert on the Soviet Union, teaches international relations and is the head of the Institute for Communist Affairs at Columbia." Brzezinski wrote a book called "The Grand Chess Board", which is a blueprint for world domination by a one world government, led by he and his Marxist cronies, of course. Using the USA's innovation and wealth, Brzezinski talks about taking over Eurasia and more. Here are some quotes from The Grand Chess Board: "Ever since the continents started interacting politically, some five hundred years ago, Eurasia has been the center of world power." "The formulation of a comprehensive and integrated Eurasian geostrategy is therefore the purpose of this book."
"A power that dominates Eurasia would control two of the world's three most advanced and economically productive regions. A mere glance at the map also suggests that control over Eurasia would almost automatically entail Africa's subordination"
"It follows that America's primary interest is to help ensure that no single power comes to control this geopolitical space and that the global community has unhindered financial and economic access to it."
"In the long run, global politics are bound to become increasingly uncongenial to the concentration of hegemonic power in the hands of a single state"
As you can see, Brzezinski is obsessed with getting control of the Middle East (Eurasia) because of all its' resources.
Why Obama was the near perfect choice to implement the final phase of the world agenda
Like Obama said "I am going to change the world" at several speeches during the campaign. He said this because he has been trained to subdue the US by handing her over to the UN, slowly but surely. Everything he does, he has been prepared for in advance by his "handlers", namely, the CIA faction that is partnered with the Tri-lateral Commission and Council on Foreign Relations. Each group are partnered towards a common agenda .. a one world order under their management.
Obama was an obvious choice because of a few things and here they are:
•Obama's Grandparents and Mother were already recruited by this CIA faction since Obama's Grandpa worked for David Rockefeller and his "Standard Oil Company" that helped power German Submarines (David was the old guy in the Wheel Chair that appeared in front of Obama on national television recently over Memorial Day.).
•Lolo Soetoro, Obama's stepfather, was a Rockefeller henchman set up in Indonesia under Rocekfeller's Oil front called "Mobil Oil". Obama was purposely schooled in Islam to understand their culture. Nearly Obama's whole life has been "scripted" by his families CIA connections and recruiters. From the movie Total Recall - "Your whole life is just a dream Quade".
•Obama was Black (he has Arab ancestory too, but looks Black) and had a Muslim name - which his "handlers" had him change to for engaging the Muslim Community. He originally went by "Barry Soetoro" for years, and then changed the name early on when running for political offices. A strategy to lure Muslim countries into the Western World Order paradigm led by these factions/partnerships for a one world order.
Why the records are sealed...
Do you now see why Obama has his records sealed and many do not dare confront him on these sensitive issues? The truth is, Obama doesn't even have a lot of the records Americans are requesting. Obama did not teach "Constutional Law" as a Professor at Chicago University. A blatent lie sold to the impressionable. There are no records of him teaching at Chicago as a Professor of Law, and no staff or students remember him. You'll get an "Obot" claiming to remember him, but that is a lame attempt to give credibility to that topic.
No one remembers Obama's birth in Hawaii - the hospital's have no records - zero. His Mother and Grandmother's death - no bodies, and no one remembers Obama's Mom at any hospitals in HI being treated for Cancer. The hospitals have no record of her stay - zero records. Obama's Mother didn't even have Death Certificate until just a couple of months before the election, because someone noticed there was none, and low-and-behold, within a few days she magically had one appear in a database that previously had nothing.
Real-Estate transactions have been found under a known Alias of Stanley A. Dunham as recently has 2008 potentially lending to the family real-estate fraud and transactions using the old Muslim Hiawatha scamming system that is commonly used by many Marxists in the US pretending to be or calling themselves "Philanthropists" - typical "Getting rich off the Poor" predatory lending schemes.
Timothy Geithner and Barry Soetoro - two Puppets in a Pod
Obama's Mother worked for the current Treasury Secretarie's Father - Paul Geithner in Indoensia for the Ford Foundation.
The Obama/Geithner connection:
Peter F. Geithner, Treasury Secretary Geithner's father, worked for the Ford Foundation.
Peter was director of the Asia program at the Ford Foundation, a New World Order (NWO) operation. Peter Geithner oversaw the "microfinance" programs developed in Indonesia by Ann Dunham-Soetoro, Barack Obama’s mother.
Did you know that when Son of Stanley was going to school in Los Angeles, he went with a Pakistani friend to visit his mother in Indonesia, who was working for Peter Geithner at that time. After this, he spent a couple weeks in Pakistan, before he abruptly transferred to Columbia in New York where Peter Geithner was headquartered
A little more about Peter Geithner and his ties to known NWO operations:
Peter F. Geithner is an advisor to the Asia Center at Harvard University and a consultant to the Asia Pacific Philanthropy Consortium, Rockefeller Foundation, Sasakawa Peace Foundation, and other organizations. He serves on the boards of the National Committee on United States-China Relations, the China Center for Economic Research (Peking University), the Center for the Advanced Study of India (University of Pennsylvania), Clemente (Holdings) Asia, Inc., and the Institute of Current World Affairs.
Do you now see why Timothy Geithner was chosen to be Treasurey Secretary? Not because Obama chose him, but because the Federal Reserve and their partners in crime (including that CIA Faction) put him there. Both Timothy and Obama are Puppets because of their family histories and associations with these "Globalists" seeking a one world order in which 20% (they and their partners) would own the other 80%. Timothy, before being posted to Treasury Secretary, was President of the Federal Reserve branch in New York.
more coming in a bit ...
Marcus
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She doesn't have a Hawaiian birth certificate. You're assumption that she does is based solely on the work of one "Techdude", who claims that he can discern her name on Obama's COLB scanned image. His work has been thoroughly debunked by people who actually know a thing about image manipulation. Hell, even I know enough about imaging software to know that the terms and methods he uses are a whole lot of BS meant to wow people into thinking he's an expert.
MonsterMark
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You're right. It has been reported she has a Certification of Live Birth just like Obambi has.
MonsterMark
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Ya, whatever.
Some people like Marcus just won't wake up.
Same exact hairline.:Bang Same exact chin.:Bang Same ears.:Bang Same complexion.:Bang
:Beer
Obama Senior: 5'7"
Obama Junior: 6'1/2"
Malcolm X: 6'2"
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MonsterMark
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deedeedee
Oh... another tentacle - Obama is the son of Malcolm X... this is one of my favorites 
However, if he is the son of Malcolm X then there is no question that Obama is a US citizen, both parents being US citizens sure qualifies you in any citizenship test...
And you wonder why people don't believe this whole conspiracy thing... the more weird little asides that are brought up the more the entire fabric of the story unravels.
However, if he is the son of Malcolm X then there is no question that Obama is a US citizen, both parents being US citizens sure qualifies you in any citizenship test...And you wonder why people don't believe this whole conspiracy thing... the more weird little asides that are brought up the more the entire fabric of the story unravels.
MonsterMark
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dumdeedeedum
MonsterMark
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Then why doesn't he come out and just admit it and say nan-a-nana-boo-boo?
Probably because he isn't
But how cool would that be - our president the son of Malcolm X... Sort of the real American dream come true - huh
MonsterMark
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You're talking about the story of Obama's life, right? Because that is certainly what is unraveling.
http://www.colony14.net/id41.html
MonsterMark
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Sort of the real American dream come true - huh
You should read the link I provided above. Obama's link to past Communists runs very deep.
MonsterMark
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Gennie Mo: New GM to Offer Public Option Car
by Scott Ott for ScrappleFace
Now that the federal government owns 61 percent of General Motors the automaker plans to introduce a ‘public option’ vehicle as part of a sweeping plan to provide new cars for some 46 million Americans who lack proper transportation.
The new Government Sponsored Enterprise (GSE), dubbed Gennie Mo in a fashion reminiscent of Fannie Mae, will produce the low cost, high quality model to force private automakers to cut their prices and ultimately to guarantee the right of every U.S. resident to own a late model vehicle.
Rep. Barney Frank applauded the move and immediately introduced a bill that would require Gennie Mo to sell its cars to low-income citizens with no downpayments and no credit checks, at below-market adjustable interest rates.
by Scott Ott for ScrappleFace
Now that the federal government owns 61 percent of General Motors the automaker plans to introduce a ‘public option’ vehicle as part of a sweeping plan to provide new cars for some 46 million Americans who lack proper transportation.
The new Government Sponsored Enterprise (GSE), dubbed Gennie Mo in a fashion reminiscent of Fannie Mae, will produce the low cost, high quality model to force private automakers to cut their prices and ultimately to guarantee the right of every U.S. resident to own a late model vehicle.
Rep. Barney Frank applauded the move and immediately introduced a bill that would require Gennie Mo to sell its cars to low-income citizens with no downpayments and no credit checks, at below-market adjustable interest rates.
MonsterMark
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Now that we even have conservatives on this site defending the Obamanation by avoiding his Natural Born Citizen status, where do we go from here? You know at some point things are going to get so bad that Obama will be called out for impeachment. You know it is coming. Things are not going to get better. No socialist society ever THRIVES, they only SURVIVE!
Capitalism has trumped Socialism (and Communism I might add) all over the world. We have tipped over that 50% threshold here in the U.S. to that group of people who 'expect' their government to take care of them which inevitably leads to further decay.
So my question is: We all know where this Obama Administration leads, so why not try to stop it in its tracks now before further damage is done?
Biden would be as lame-duck as any VP turned President could possibly be. Just keep him away from the spotlight and the punch bowl and we could survive this downturn if we become capitalists again.
Capitalism has trumped Socialism (and Communism I might add) all over the world. We have tipped over that 50% threshold here in the U.S. to that group of people who 'expect' their government to take care of them which inevitably leads to further decay.
So my question is: We all know where this Obama Administration leads, so why not try to stop it in its tracks now before further damage is done?
Biden would be as lame-duck as any VP turned President could possibly be. Just keep him away from the spotlight and the punch bowl and we could survive this downturn if we become capitalists again.
PetesSweets86
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Face it Monster Mark...the world is full of lies.....for all you know your relatives could be lying to eachother as we speak. Possibly even cheating on each other.....
luxuryrules
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When I see a plan that actually has a chance of working, sign me up.
So far, there is a lot of whining and complaining, posturing and editorializing, and and generally very childish behavior coming from within the GOP. There appears to no coherent plan of action right now, aside from "snipe at Obama every chance we get."
From those who claim to represent the Silent Majority, I want to see a solid game plan outlining real actions we need to take that will (hopefully) lead to real, achievable, and measurable goals. Show the Silent Majority the Plan, tell them what to do, and they will do it.
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fossten
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That's a non sequitur. Not discussing the court cases does not equal defending Obama. Nice try, but that's a false comparison.
I seem to remember you urging me during the campaign to stop wasting my energy on Ron Paul. Now you know how it feels.
MonsterMark
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That's because Paul couldn't win. Do you really think Obama is going to come out of this clean as a whistle if a court finally forces him to cough it up?
I'm interested in seeing every piece of legislation this guy signed be determined null&void. Of course, I was here from day one on this and tried to convince people not to vote for the Obamonation.