Obama military welcome in Iraq revealed

[Chadly]

How many times have you been deployed.......? I am not ashamed to call myself a Soldier, I love the Army and everything it stands for, there is one guy in the Army who I dont like, and I have good reason not to, I have never spoke bad about the Army, I dont like him because on the day he extended my division, he flew home to see his daughter graduate high school.

And the Marines can't dominate a war 7 months at a time.

Marines have been there since the beginning, and they have been dominating since they got there. You of all people should know that 7 months is long enough. 7 there, 5 home for 3 years in a row. I'm not trying to get in a pissing match about who did what or who deployed the most or who spent the most time where. That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Tell me what that has to do with you being a disloyal jackass.

Your statements show your stupidity. The Marines have core values that we live by, Honor, Courage, and Commitment. Its obvious you lack at least 2 of those when you get on the net and start blasting your superior officers.

And you still havent answered my f'cking question.

 

[Calabrio]

Obama will never suceed in passing that bill, is f"ed up that he would propose something like that, i agree, but i dont believe he will destroy the Military, and if he did, at least he won't kill us off.

You base that on what?
What Democrat administration can you think of didn't over commit the military, increase civilian mismanagement while cutting funding and support?

 

[lincolnx2]

Marines have been there since the beginning, and they have been dominating since they got there. You of all people should know that 7 months is long enough. 7 there, 5 home for 3 years in a row. I'm not trying to get in a pissing match about who did what or who deployed the most or who spent the most time where. That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Tell me what that has to do with you being a disloyal jackass.

Your statements show your stupidity. The Marines have core values that we live by, Honor, Courage, and Commitment. Its obvious you lack at least 2 of those when you get on the net and start blasting your superior officers.

And you still havent answered my f'cking question.

Marines are Brain washed, they dont speak their mind, hoorah is all you will hear from them, and we have seven values
loyalty, duty, respect, selfless service, honor, integrity, personal courage.

I have the personal courage to say whats on my mind.

The thing i love most about the Army is were are encouraged to give our input, speak up against whats wrong, hell thats hoow i made my six in 5 years and will more than likely make my 7 next year.

and to answer your question, you cant do anything in 7 months! do the math

1 month left seat/right seat ride with outgoing unit
2-6 doing whatever you do
7th month left seat/ right ride with incoming unit

Oh yeah, almost forgot 2-3 days in Kuwait each way.

just time served, alone that should show you who is really fighting this war.

We will never come to an agreement, I love the Army and you, the Marines!

 

[lincolnx2]

You base that on what?
What Democrat administration can you think of didn't over commit the military, increase civilian mismanagement while cutting funding and support?

The only president I have served under is Bush, I just got promoted fast. I am only 25 so all I know is the GWOT since i joined the Military, and how can you read any history when everything is so bias? I read an article that said Martin Luther King didnt really fight for civil rights.

 

[Calabrio]

The only president I have served under is Bush, I just got promoted fast. I am only 25 so all I know is the GWOT since i joined the Military, and how can you read any history when everything is so bias? I read an article that said Martin Luther King didnt really fight for civil rights.

I'm not sure I understand your point.
So your ignorance is bliss?

You can read and understand history by applying critical thinking and reading multiple sources. For example, the source that argues that MLK wasn't involved in civil rights would be one to skip in the future.

 

[lincolnx2]

I'm not sure I understand your point.
So your ignorance is bliss?

You can read and understand history by applying critical thinking and reading multiple sources. For example, the source that argues that MLK wasn't involved in civil rights would be one to skip in the future.

So am i suppose to spend all my time reading?

You say every Democratic administration abused the Military, i take it you are a Republican, A democrat would say every republican administration used the military to fight personal wars.

A republican would say Clinton was a horrible leader, a Democrat would say he eliminated the debt that the country had.

I would rather base my opinions off my experiences, so far all i know is Bush and the GWOT. People say Obama will destroy the military, this remains to be seen! i have to run to an award ceremony, i will return in about 90 mins

 

[Calabrio]

So am i suppose to spend all my time reading

All of it? Of course not.
Maybe spend a little time.

As a professional soldier, I'd expect that you'd have a personal desire to have a better understanding of history.

You say every Democratic administration abused the Military, i take it you are a Republican, A democrat would say every republican administration used the military to fight personal wars.

An intelligent Democrat with an understanding of history wouldn't though.

And I didn't say every Democrat administration abused the military, I merely posed a challenge. One that, had you ever exhibited even the slightest interest in history, would have been able to discuss.

A republican would say Clinton was a horrible leader, a Democrat would say he eliminated the debt that the country had.

Actually no one would say that, but it's all besides the point.
Differing perspectives don't mean it's impossible to learn or understand history. Nor do the differing perspectives mean it's not worth the effort to do so.

I would rather base my opinions off my experiences, so far all i know is Bush and the GWOT.

By your own admission, you're experience is profoundly limited.
Without the ability to identify, recognize, and respond to historic trends, you're greatly limiting your ability to understand the circumstances you live in.

Again, these are skills that are usually considered very important for a soldier. Learning from the mistakes of the past means you're spared from making them again.

People say Obama will destroy the military, this remains to be seen! i have to run to an award ceremony, i will return in about 90 mins

Using you're logic, we should just wait to see if he ultimately destroys it (note: I'm not saying he'll "destroy" the military) then after he leaves office, immediately relegate that information to the dust bin of history, so successive generations like yourself can possible repeat the mistakes, or lack the wisdom to repeat the successes, of the past.

As you well know, the world is a dangerous place right now.
A good understanding of the history, the foreign policy philosophies/approaches, or even just the military history of the past century would be extremely valuable for you right now.

Just understanding one book like "DIPLOMACY" by Kissinger is as good as a college degree when it comes to understanding.

 

[lincolnx2]

I will be sure to pick that book up!

 

[Chadly]

Marines are Brain washed, they dont speak their mind, hoorah is all you will hear from them, and we have seven values
loyalty, duty, respect, selfless service, honor, integrity, personal courage.

I have the personal courage to say whats on my mind.

The thing i love most about the Army is were are encouraged to give our input, speak up against whats wrong, hell thats hoow i made my six in 5 years and will more than likely make my 7 next year.

and to answer your question, you cant do anything in 7 months! do the math

1 month left seat/right seat ride with outgoing unit
2-6 doing whatever you do
7th month left seat/ right ride with incoming unit

Oh yeah, almost forgot 2-3 days in Kuwait each way.

just time served, alone that should show you who is really fighting this war.

We will never come to an agreement, I love the Army and you, the Marines!

Well out of your 7 values your f'cked up on 3 of them. Loyalty, respect, and honor. Marines arent brain washed, they are trained to follow orders. We do speak our minds, but there is a propper way to do it. If something is wrong we bring it to the attention of those above us. And any good leader will ask for input, thats common since. To assume Marines dont do that is ignorance on your part.

We have had this conversation before, it doesnt take a month to do change over with whoever is replacing you. 1 week tops. I was kicking them out after 3 days so I could take over.

Your view of time served is f'cked up too. Marines have been there since 2003 just like the army. It doesnt matter if your there for 12 month tours at a time or 7, WE have been there just as long as the army.

I have come to the conclusion that your a f'cking moron and have no idea what Marines do or the importance of us being there to help fight.

And you still cant answer my question, what is an army war?

 

[fossten]

The same windfall that Bush gave us.

Obama will never suceed in passing that bill, is f"ed up that he would propose something like that, i agree, but i dont believe he will destroy the Military, and if he did, at least he won't kill us off.

The point is that he hates the military, and I just gave you direct evidence of that. You are in turn brushing it off, saying it's no big deal. It's amazing how much you will allow him to do to you. Is it because he's black?

 

[Mr Wiggl3s]

The point is that he hates the military, and I just gave you direct evidence of that. You are in turn brushing it off, saying it's no big deal. It's amazing how much you will allow him to do to you. Is it because he's black?

He hates the military but he's trying to make a civilian military (or some BS along those lines)?

 

[fossten]

He hates the military but he's trying to make a civilian military (or some BS along those lines)?

You should study some history. Start with Mussolini, then move on to Hitler. Get back to me when you know the answer.

 

[Mr Wiggl3s]

I'm good.

Stalin >

 

[lincolnx2]

Well out of your 7 values your f'cked up on 3 of them. Loyalty, respect, and honor. Marines arent brain washed, they are trained to follow orders. We do speak our minds, but there is a propper way to do it. If something is wrong we bring it to the attention of those above us. And any good leader will ask for input, thats common since. To assume Marines dont do that is ignorance on your part.

We have had this conversation before, it doesnt take a month to do change over with whoever is replacing you. 1 week tops. I was kicking them out after 3 days so I could take over.

Your view of time served is f'cked up too. Marines have been there since 2003 just like the army. It doesnt matter if your there for 12 month tours at a time or 7, WE have been there just as long as the army.

I have come to the conclusion that your a f'cking moron and have no idea what Marines do or the importance of us being there to help fight.

And you still cant answer my question, what is an army war?

Ok so I am the Moron, well tell me why we invaded Iraq? educated me please! a week of "change over" really, i would love to know where you served in Iraq doing a week change over, must have been "Camp Victory, Kuwait" we replaced Marines in Ramadi, we spent a month doing left seat right seat ride, thats when we found they turned off the BFT and sat under a bridge.

An army war is GWOT conflict that is going on now, and it is an Army war because you cant make progress in seven months, it takes a sustained presence!

Please explain the proper way to tell a 4 star general, that he has lost my trust. If he volunteered your division for another 6 months the day before you were scheduled to redeploy, and then flew home, how would you feel?

 

[lincolnx2]

The point is that he hates the military, and I just gave you direct evidence of that. You are in turn brushing it off, saying it's no big deal. It's amazing how much you will allow him to do to you. Is it because he's black?

I let Bush send me to Iraq and Afghanistan, I guess I was just being a greatful servent, LOL

Obama f'ed up proposing that, I admit, but how many times have presidents :q:q:q:qed up? Clinton offered retirement at 15 years for some people, dems say he was saving money, conservatives say he was doing away with the military.

Obama was planning on cutting benefits to wounded soldiers, some would say he was trying to save money, some would say he hate the military.

 

[fossten]

I let Bush send me to Iraq and Afghanistan, I guess I was just being a greatful servent, LOL

Obama f'ed up proposing that, I admit, but how many times have presidents :q:q:q:qed up? Clinton offered retirement at 15 years for some people, dems say he was saving money, conservatives say he was doing away with the military.

Obama was planning on cutting benefits to wounded soldiers, some would say he was trying to save money, some would say he hate the military.

You really believe that he was just trying to save money? Man, get your head out of the sand.

And yet you crucified Bush for sending troops to Iraq. Wouldn't he have just 'f'd up' by your standards?

 

[fossten]

I'm good.

Stalin >

Stalin didn't use 'civilian defense corps' like Mussolini and Hitler did. I figured you would miss the point. That's government schooling for you.

 

[lincolnx2]

You really believe that he was just trying to save money? Man, get your head out of the sand.

And yet you crucified Bush for sending troops to Iraq. Wouldn't he have just 'f'd up' by your standards?

Why were we sent to Iraq? usually my feet is in the sand, except when I asked this Airforce Capt what she was willing to do for 10 dollars, then my 1sg had my face in the sand, LOL joke but true story.

 

[Chadly]

Ok so I am the Moron, well tell me why we invaded Iraq? educated me please! a week of "change over" really, i would love to know where you served in Iraq doing a week change over, must have been "Camp Victory, Kuwait" we replaced Marines in Ramadi, we spent a month doing left seat right seat ride, thats when we found they turned off the BFT and sat under a bridge.

An army war is GWOT conflict that is going on now, and it is an Army war because you cant make progress in seven months, it takes a sustained presence!

Please explain the proper way to tell a 4 star general, that he has lost my trust. If he volunteered your division for another 6 months the day before you were scheduled to redeploy, and then flew home, how would you feel?

It was in Fallujah. And yes it takes a week tops. Its different when your turning over to another branch.

The Marines didnt go there for 7 months, we've been there the entire time. The way we work is we go there, do our thing, and when its time to go home the next guys pick up where we left off. Marines made a lot of progress in fallujah, a lot more than the army did. The individual Marine is only there 7 months, but the Corps has been there all along. We have accomplished tons.

Yeah I would be pissed off to if that happened to me, but I would suck it up and not disrespect him just because I didnt agree with his decisions.

 

[Chadly]

Lets just face it, your a soldier, I'm a Marine. We will probably never see eye to eye on this. I just dont agree with the way the army does things and the way soldiers act. I guess the only people that would understand is other Marines.

 

[lincolnx2]

Lets just face it, your a soldier, I'm a Marine. We will probably never see eye to eye on this. I just dont agree with the way the army does things and the way soldiers act. I guess the only people that would understand is other Marines.

Cool, no hard feelings, we have this thing in the Army, we respect the Rank no matter what, if the persons crosses us , we still respect the rank.

I was in spent some time in fallujah, i was part of the initial invasion.

 

[fossten]

Why were we sent to Iraq? usually my feet is in the sand, except when I asked this Airforce Capt what she was willing to do for 10 dollars, then my 1sg had my face in the sand, LOL joke but true story.

Maybe Bush was trying to save money, too. Oil money. Would that be good enough for you? It seems to mollify you with Barack.

 

[lincolnx2]

Maybe Bush was trying to save money, too. Oil money. Would that be good enough for you? It seems to mollify you with Barack.

So 4200+ had to die for oil? I guess that is collateral damage.

 

[fossten]

So 4200+ had to die for oil? I guess that is collateral damage.

So the injured military has to pay their own bills so Barack can spend pork money on the study of wood utilization? I guess that is priorities.

But your assault on Bush does not disprove or even weaken my argument that Obama hates the military. Exactly what is the military supposed to do other than fight wars?

 

[lincolnx2]

i expect to go to wars that aren't based on lies, what did you do while you were in the military?