Obama the Muslim... Confirmed!
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fossten
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Versus what percentage of world Christians? How about including those who teach, support, and finance terrorist actions as well? For example, the school systems of Syria and Saudia Arabia? Last time I checked, those were Islamic nations. If you included those, your argument might have a little bit of accuracy, but as is, it's pathetically inadequate.
Baloney. Please cite supporting documentation. Misrepresenting the truth doesn't change it, Squirt. The fact is that their Islamic beliefs are the driving philosophy, however twisted or corrupted it may be, and that itself is debatable. Again, if you knew anything about the Koran, you wouldn't make such ignorant and irrelevant statements.
Up until the Iraq war, or after? How many American citizens have died in the Iraq war, and how many died on 9/11? Answer your own questions. And don't use some stupid Rosie O'Donnell argument trying to equivocate Christians and Islamic terrorists. That won't wash out with the facts, Skippy.
Now you are out and out lying.
I never stated that "muslims be evil" or anything even remotely similar. Go back and read my previous posts in the thread. I challenge you to provide any proof to back that claim up.
In post number 61 you intentionally mischaracterized and distorted what I said and claimed that I was "in essence" saying that "Muslim = evil". You were the one who brought that up, not me.
Of course a self serving mischaracterization of my argument on your part is going to be flawed. Look who's writing it.
fossten
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Heh heh. I can sense some real frustration here.
Actually, this is laugh out loud funny.
"Hey, stop pointing out the flaws in my arguments!"
Here's a clue for you: Stop using flawed, illogical arguments and I guarantee he'll stop using those "buzzwords."
Maybe you should pick up a book on debating.
MonsterMark
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The Obama File
All Indonesian students are required to study religion at school and a young Barry Soetoro, being a Muslim, would have been required to study Islam daily in school.
He would have been taught to read and write Arabic, to recite his prayers properly, to read and recite from the Quran and to study the laws of Islam.
In his autobiography, "Dreams From My Father," Obama mentions studying the Quran and describes the public school as "a Muslim school."
"In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Koranic studies."
According to Tine Hahiyary, one of Obama's teachers and the principal from 1971 through 1989, Barry actively took part in the Islamic religious lessons during his time at the school. His teacher was named Maimunah and she lived in the Puncak area, the Cianjur Regency.
"I remembered that he had studied "mengaji" (recitation of the Quran)" Tine said.
Our guy in Jakarta writes: "The actual usage of the word 'mengaji' in Indonesian and Malaysian societies means the study of learning to recite the Quran in the Arabic language rather than the native tongue. "Mengagi" is a word and a term that is accorded the highest value and status in the mindset of fundamentalist societies here in Southeast Asia. To put it quite simply, 'mengaji classes' are not something that a non practicing or so-called moderate Muslim family would ever send their child to. To put this in a Christian context, this is something above and beyond simply enrolling your child in Sunday school classes."
"The fact that Obama had attended mengaji classes is well known in Indonesia and has left many there wondering just when Obama is going to come out of the closet." As Plato said, the images and stories we feed our children affect them for life.
"As I've stated before, the evidence seems to quite clearly show that both Ann Dunham and her husband Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo were in fact devout Muslims themselves and they raised their son as such."
Obama's half-sister, Maya, recalled that the family attended the mosque "for big communal events," and "Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers."
On January 24, 2007, the Obama campaign released the following statement, "To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago.
Then, on March 14th, 2007, the Obama Campaign told the LA Times he wasn’t a "practicing Muslim."
But his official website says: "Obama Has Never Been A Muslim, And Is a Committed Christian" (dated: 11/12/2007, and still up as of 5/5/2008)
This is the basic problem with Obama -- his dissimulation -- some would call it outright lying -- but read what his classmates say:
Mates
In 2007, classmate Rony Amiris described young Barry as enjoying football and playing marbles and of being a very devout Muslim. Amir said, "Barry was previously quite religious in Islam."
"We previously often asked him to the prayer room close to the house. If he was wearing a sarong he looked funny," said Rony.
Amiris now the manager of the Bank Mandiri, Jakarta, recently said, "Barry was previously quite religious in Islam. His birth father, Barack Hussein Obama was a Muslim economist from Kenya. Before marrying Ann Dunham, Hussein Obama was married to a woman from Kenya who had seven children. All the relatives of Barry's father were very devout Muslims"
Rony extrapolates further, that Obama at one point had to change his religion if he ever intended later to run for the office of President of the United States because America would never elect a Muslim to the be President of the United States.
All Indonesian students are required to study religion at school and a young Barry Soetoro, being a Muslim, would have been required to study Islam daily in school.
He would have been taught to read and write Arabic, to recite his prayers properly, to read and recite from the Quran and to study the laws of Islam.
In his autobiography, "Dreams From My Father," Obama mentions studying the Quran and describes the public school as "a Muslim school."
"In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Koranic studies."
According to Tine Hahiyary, one of Obama's teachers and the principal from 1971 through 1989, Barry actively took part in the Islamic religious lessons during his time at the school. His teacher was named Maimunah and she lived in the Puncak area, the Cianjur Regency.
"I remembered that he had studied "mengaji" (recitation of the Quran)" Tine said.
Our guy in Jakarta writes: "The actual usage of the word 'mengaji' in Indonesian and Malaysian societies means the study of learning to recite the Quran in the Arabic language rather than the native tongue. "Mengagi" is a word and a term that is accorded the highest value and status in the mindset of fundamentalist societies here in Southeast Asia. To put it quite simply, 'mengaji classes' are not something that a non practicing or so-called moderate Muslim family would ever send their child to. To put this in a Christian context, this is something above and beyond simply enrolling your child in Sunday school classes."
"The fact that Obama had attended mengaji classes is well known in Indonesia and has left many there wondering just when Obama is going to come out of the closet." As Plato said, the images and stories we feed our children affect them for life.
"As I've stated before, the evidence seems to quite clearly show that both Ann Dunham and her husband Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo were in fact devout Muslims themselves and they raised their son as such."
Obama's half-sister, Maya, recalled that the family attended the mosque "for big communal events," and "Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers."
On January 24, 2007, the Obama campaign released the following statement, "To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago.
Then, on March 14th, 2007, the Obama Campaign told the LA Times he wasn’t a "practicing Muslim."
But his official website says: "Obama Has Never Been A Muslim, And Is a Committed Christian" (dated: 11/12/2007, and still up as of 5/5/2008)
This is the basic problem with Obama -- his dissimulation -- some would call it outright lying -- but read what his classmates say:
Mates
In 2007, classmate Rony Amiris described young Barry as enjoying football and playing marbles and of being a very devout Muslim. Amir said, "Barry was previously quite religious in Islam."
"We previously often asked him to the prayer room close to the house. If he was wearing a sarong he looked funny," said Rony.
Amiris now the manager of the Bank Mandiri, Jakarta, recently said, "Barry was previously quite religious in Islam. His birth father, Barack Hussein Obama was a Muslim economist from Kenya. Before marrying Ann Dunham, Hussein Obama was married to a woman from Kenya who had seven children. All the relatives of Barry's father were very devout Muslims"
Rony extrapolates further, that Obama at one point had to change his religion if he ever intended later to run for the office of President of the United States because America would never elect a Muslim to the be President of the United States.
MonsterMark
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From the same site: "While a student in the late 1970s, Barack Obama carved his name in the pavement outside the cafeteria of Punahou School.
Kinda interesting, eh, King Obama?"
Kinda interesting, eh, King Obama?"
Marcus
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Yeah right. Apparently Photoshop can be used for good AND evil huh?
Regardless, if he does make himself King, just remember who laid all the groundwork. Hint: Starts with a B and ends with a ush.