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Posted on Fri, Oct. 28, 2005

Conservative pundits led charge against Bush choice

By Howard Kurtz

Washington Post


WASHINGTON – Charles Krauthammer, David Frum, Bill Kristol, Laura Ingraham and their conservative colleagues didn’t sink the Harriet Miers nomination on their own. But in the blink of a news cycle, they turned against their president, framed the debate and provided the passion that undermined her case.

It was Krauthammer who offered the White House on Oct. 21 what he called “the perfectly honorable way to solve the conundrum” by using a refusal to turn over Miers’ internal memos as a fig leaf for withdrawing her Supreme Court bid – which is precisely what she did.

“I guess she reads my column,” the Washington Post and Fox News commentator said Thursday. “All that was missing was the footnote.”

This time, no one can blame the liberal media. And what made the right’s revolt all the more remarkable was that its opinion-mongering wing didn’t simply stand in polite opposition to Miers. Its troops hit the trenches, attacked Miers as unqualified, ripped President Bush for cronyism and in some cases raised money to defeat the nomination.

Some, like Ingraham, a former Supreme Court clerk whose syndicated radio show reaches 340 stations, felt the heat. “I received phone calls and e-mails saying I was being disloyal to the president and we were Borking Miers,” said Ingraham, whose stance was also challenged by about a third of her listeners. “I was standing up for what I believe are conservative judicial principles, and no one was going to dissuade me from that. ... Without alternative media, the talking points on Miers would have carried the day.”

The contrast with the nearly lockstep conservative support for the administration on other battles – from Iraq to the campaign against John Kerry to the CIA leak investigation – could hardly be starker. And the sheer speed of the anti-Miers broadsides meant that no one had to wait until the evening newscasts or morning papers to find out that much of the right was appalled by the prospect of Miers on the high court.

After Bush nominated his White House counsel at 8 a.m. on Sept. 29, Ingraham was criticizing Miers on the air at 9, and Kristol was doing the same on Fox News minutes later. At 10:17, Frum assailed the nomination on his National Review blog, an essay that drew extra attention because he had worked with Miers as a White House speechwriter.

“The talking point was ‘Let’s wait for the hearings because we don’t know anything,’ ” Frum said. “Well, I knew something. It was my responsibility. This was not fun. I take no pleasure in this. The long-term consequences for me are probably not going to be favorable.”

In recent days, Frum helped found a group called Americans for Better Justice, along with such columnists as Mona Charen and Linda Chavez. The group raised $300,000 and began airing anti-Miers commercials.

“I don’t think that’s what journalists ought to do, even if they’re in opinion journalism,” said Fred Barnes, executive editor of the Weekly Standard. He was one of the most prominent conservatives writing that his ideological allies should hold their fire until the Senate confirmation hearings.

“I thought the conservatives who came out so harshly against Miers were off base, but they had some effect in keeping Republican senators from immediately jumping behind Miers,” Barnes said.

At first, some White House supporters dismissed the early conservative critics as Ivy League elitists ganging up on a non-judge who attended Southern Methodist University. But the groundswell on the right spread: A skeptical Rush Limbaugh interview with Vice President Cheney. A National Review editorial saying the “prudent course” would be for Miers to withdraw. A Wall Street Journal editorial calling Bush’s move “a political blunder of the first order.”

As newspapers began digging out past speeches and writings by Miers on such subjects as affirmative action and abortion, right-leaning pundits grew even more alarmed that she was insufficiently conservative. National Review columnist Jonah Goldberg said he wound up channeling the views of lawyers and former Reagan and Bush administration officials who could not speak out because of “career considerations.”

“We were all hearing from people in the know that this woman simply wasn’t up to snuff,” said Goldberg, who initially took a wait-and-see stance and then opposed Miers as her past writings surfaced. “We were putting forth an argument that wasn’t just punditry. We were reflecting deep discontent within the conservative movement. We played a part in changing the climate simply because of the megaphone we have.”
 
Yep, we sunk her and America will be the better for it. Always looking out for you Johnny.
 
What point is this article trying to make?

That us repugs don't just blindly follow the President? Thanks!

He mad an idiotic choice with Mrs. Miers. Plain and simple...and conservatives called him on it. End of story. Nothing to pounce on here lefties.
 
FreeFaller said:
What point is this article trying to make?

That us repugs don't just blindly follow the President? Thanks!

He mad an idiotic choice with Mrs. Miers. Plain and simple...and conservatives called him on it. End of story. Nothing to pounce on here lefties.

No I think the article is trying to make the point that the RIGHT WING MEDIA has more power than the office of the president. I think it makes that point well. And I think it torpedos your arguments that the media is solely liberally biased.
 
raVeneyes said:
No I think the article is trying to make the point that the RIGHT WING MEDIA has more power than the office of the president. I think it makes that point well. And I think it torpedos your arguments that the media is solely liberally biased.

100% agreement!!!!!!!
 
I never stated that the media had a sole liberal bias. I think there is a definate slant toward the left when the media is concerned. Also this does not discredit that theory because in this instance it benifitted the left to report this event. So it disproves nothing.

The point is that President Bush made a bad choice. On that we agree. A large section of the conservative base made it known that they did not support Mrs. Miers and the problem resolved itself.

I don't think the right stands blindly behind the President and I don't think the left stood blindly behind President Clinton. It just seems that way when you're standing on the other side of the fence.
 
FreeFaller said:
I don't think the right stands blindly behind the President and I don't think the left stood blindly behind President Clinton.
But I thought we were all dittoheads, incapable of thinking on our own? You know why the left is pissed? They thought Miers was going to turn out to be an O'Connor. Nope, not this time.

The second the left didn't scream when Miers was nominated, I knew there was something wrong with her. Thanks for the heads up lefties.:waving:
 
FreeFaller said:
What point is this article trying to make?

That us repugs don't just blindly follow the President? Thanks!

He mad an idiotic choice with Mrs. Miers. Plain and simple...and conservatives called him on it. End of story. Nothing to pounce on here lefties.

You should go back and read up on a few threads when she was first nominated, you would think the Conservatives/Repub's here thought she was the best thing since sliced bread. Funny to see the snake turn around and bite it's own tail.
 
raVeneyes said:
No I think the article is trying to make the point that the RIGHT WING MEDIA has more power than the office of the president. I think it makes that point well. And I think it torpedos your arguments that the media is solely liberally biased.

FreeFaller hasnt been on the 'Liberal Media' is ruining this country bandwagon as far as I can tell. It's the other righties here mostly.
 
95DevilleNS said:
FreeFaller hasnt been on the 'Liberal Media' is ruining this country bandwagon as far as I can tell. It's the other righties here mostly.

You're right. I'm sorry FreeFaller I didn't mean you in the literal sense of 'you FreeFaller' I meant you as in the conservatives on this board.

I should have said:

"...and it torpedos the conservative argument that..."
 
raVeneyes said:
You're right. I'm sorry FreeFaller I didn't mean you in the literal sense of 'you FreeFaller' I meant you as in the conservatives on this board.

I should have said:

"...and it torpedos the conservative argument that..."

sorry, wrong. We conservatives have never said that the total media is liberal. We assert that the MAINSTREAM MEDIA is liberal. No, we PROVE IT DAILY.

Here's another example for you, since you don't seem to get it yet.

TV Brands Alito an Extremist, but Touted Ginsburg the "Moderate"

Posted by Rich Noyes on November 2, 2005 - 08:15.


As soon as network reporters heard of his nomination, they began to brand Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito a right-wing extremist. During live coverage Monday morning, ABC's Charles Gibson termed Alito "very conservative" and "the most conservative member" of an otherwise "liberal appellate court." Over on CBS's Early Show, Gloria Borger dubbed Alito "quite conservative," the same label applied on CNN's Daybreak by Carol Costello. On Good Morning America, ABC's Jessica Yellin labeled Alito as "conservative" five times in 50 seconds.

Monday's evening newscasts carried the same message. On ABC, anchor Elizabeth Vargas called Alito a "staunch conservative," while Terry Moran found him "deeply conservative." CBS's John Roberts said that "if confirmed, Alito would wipe out the swing seat now occupied by Sandra Day O'Connor, tilting the Supreme Court in a solidly conservative direction." In contrast, NBC's Brian Williams, agreed Alito was "dependably conservative" but he also saw an "independent streak," as did reporter Pete Williams.

Despite the labeling, Alito's career — Justice Department lawyer, U.S. attorney, federal judge — is not that of an activist. In contrast, Clinton nominee Ruth Bader Ginsburg had solid activist credentials as director of the Women's Rights Project for the ACLU, but reporters were loath to assign her a liberal label.

On the June 14, 1993 NBC Nightly News, Andrea Mitchell termed Ginsburg "a judicial moderate and a pioneer for women's rights." The next morning on ABC, Good Morning America co-host Joan Lunden asked legal editor Arthur Miller: "We hear words like ‘centrist,' ‘moderate,' ‘consensus builder.' How will she fit into this court?" Miller, a longtime friend of Ginsburg, predicted (wrongly) that she'd be a centrist Justice.
The morning after Judge Alito's selection, all three network shows featured both a liberal critic of Alito and a conservative supporter. But the morning after Judge Ginsburg's selection 12 years ago, the only guests invited to discuss Ginsburg were from the Clinton White House or her personal admirers. And the only complaints forwarded to audiences came from pro-abortion activists worried that the liberal feminist Ginsburg wasn't hardline enough on Roe v. Wade.

On the June 15, 1993 This Morning, CBS's Paula Zahn hit a pro-Ginsburg guest from the left: "The National Abortion Rights Action League is not totally comfortable with this nomination of Judge Ginsburg. They do not feel that she supports Roe v. Wade fully. Are their fears justified?" Over on NBC's Today, Katie Couric voiced similar fears to White House Chief of Staff Mack McLarty: "So you don't think she has an open mind in terms of interpreting Roe v. Wade, as some abortion rights activists are concerned about?"

There was conservative opposition to Ginsburg from groups such as the National Right-to-Life Committee, but the broadcast networks just ignored it in their rush to gush (although CNN, to its credit, did include pro-life critics in their Ginsburg coverage.)

Now, the same hard left activists who worried about Ginsburg's purity are getting airtime to complain about Alito's supposed extremism. "I think it may even require the Democrats to filibuster," pro-abortion activist Kate Michelman claimed on Tuesday's Good Morning America. But 12 years ago, conservative activists troubled by Ginsburg's selection were shut out of TV coverage that celebrated her "centrism."
 
fossten said:
sorry, wrong. We conservatives have never said that the total media is liberal. We assert that the MAINSTREAM MEDIA is liberal. No, we PROVE IT DAILY.

So the Wash. Post and Fox news isn't "mainstream media"??

Your article doesn't "prove" a damn thing, in fact the original article posted proves you are flat wrong. This is just another example of your (and the "christian-conservative-republican" bowel movement in general) hypocracy, since you don't seem to get it yet.
 
JohnnyBz00LS said:
So the Wash. Post and Fox news isn't "mainstream media"??

Your article doesn't "prove" a damn thing, in fact the original article posted proves you are flat wrong. This is just another example of your (and the "christian-conservative-republican" bowel movement in general) hypocracy, since you don't seem to get it yet.

The Washington post is liberal.


And what do you base the claim Fox New Television is "conservative. The mere fact they have the nerve to hire ANY conservative commentators who aren't little more than strawman arguments? Or are you calling Greta Van Susteren,Chris Wallace,Juan Williams,Eleanor Clift,Alan Colmes,Susan Estrich,Jane Hall,Mort Kondracke,Mara Liasson,Ellen Ratner, or Geraldo Rivera conservatives?

How many conservatives are prominent on CNN?
I'd ask about MSNBC, but who cares... their viewership is limited to their family members.

And is the claim Fox News is more conservative than CNN and acknowledgment that CNN is infact dominated by a liberal agenda?

Your article doesn't "prove" a damn thing, in fact the original article posted proves you are flat wrong. This is just another example of your (and the "christian-conservative-republican" bowel movement in general) hypocracy, since you don't seem to get it yet.
What are you talking about? It clearly demonstrates that the media represented two judges, with distinctly different Judicial and political philosophies with entirely different levels of respect. Ginsberg, who is an unabashed liberal head counsel for the ACLU, was held up as a MODERATE of all things. And Alito, a guy who has been approved in the past with unanimous support, is represented as fringe extremist? That's a clear bias in the reporting.

Maybe in the newsroom Ginsberg is considered a moderate compared to the rest of the people there, I wouldn't be surprised.
 
Calabrio said:
And Alito, a guy who has been approved in the past with unanimous support, is represented as fringe extremist? That's a clear bias in the reporting.
Both times he was nominated for judgeship he received 100-0 support. Both Times!

Now watch what happens to these same hypocrites on the left. This is going to be great.
 
barry2952 said:
Aren't you supposed to be studying?
Aren't you supposed to be selling some lighting services? LOL.

Don't worry about Fossten. He can show his professor this forum and receive an 'A' in political science.
 
fossten said:
Couldn't have said it better myself, so I won't try.

And I was about to post a reply as well, but since it's been summed up so nicely I think I'll go put that battery in one of the Town Car's that:Beer I've been meaning to get to.
 
Yay a round of back patting and self congratulations for the deluded conservatives

whoo parrrr ty
 
Calabrio said:
And what do you base the claim Fox New Television is "conservative.
Why do you think FOX was so hugely successful? Because half this country was sick of listening to the b.s. that was reported and twisted every day. And now moderates and liberals are tuning in because finally they get to hear both sides of the story, which is always much more entertaining and enlightening.

Paar tay.
 
Calabrio said:
What are you talking about?

Allow me to hold your hand and walk you down the path of clear understanding of my point since you seem to be plagued by the same reading comprehension disease shared by many of your fellow conservative members here.

1) I post the article in an attempt to dispel the myth strongly-held by conservatives (as evidenced by numerous posts about the "Liberal Main Stream Media" here in this forum) that the MSM is purely liberal leaning.

2) Fossten even clarifies the definition of this myth:
fossten said:
We assert that the MAINSTREAM MEDIA is liberal.

This statement is absolute, leaving no room for the possibility that, hey, some people in the MSM might also lean to the right.

Then boastfully adds:

fossten said:
No, we PROVE IT DAILY.

Followed by posting an article about biased reporting of two judges' positions.

3) I reply by stating that the original article I posted DIS-PROVES his assertion that the MSM is purely liberal.

I made no statement or implication that the MSM does NOT contain people with liberal leanings, ONLY to point out that the MSM is full of people with leanings to both sides. Therefore for anyone to come on here and attempt to bitch and moan and cry and kick their feet about the "Liberal MSM", to them all I have to say is they are full of Bull Sh!t.
 
JohnnyBz00LS said:
Allow me to hold your hand and walk you down the path of clear understanding of my point since you seem to be plagued by the same reading comprehension disease shared by many of your fellow conservative members here.

1) I post the article in an attempt to dispel the myth strongly-held by conservatives (as evidenced by numerous posts about the "Liberal Main Stream Media" here in this forum) that the MSM is purely liberal leaning.

2) Fossten even clarifies the definition of this myth:


This statement is absolute, leaving no room for the possibility that, hey, some people in the MSM might also lean to the right.

Then boastfully adds:



Followed by posting an article about biased reporting of two judges' positions.

3) I reply by stating that the original article I posted DIS-PROVES his assertion that the MSM is purely liberal.

I made no statement or implication that the MSM does NOT contain people with liberal leanings, ONLY to point out that the MSM is full of people with leanings to both sides. Therefore for anyone to come on here and attempt to bitch and moan and cry and kick their feet about the "Liberal MSM", to them all I have to say is they are full of Bull Sh!t.

PURELY is your word. Not mine. I said liberal. Don't use dynamic equivalence to translate my statements.
 
fossten said:
PURELY is your word. Not mine. I said liberal. Don't use dynamic equivalence to translate my statements.

So you didn't say "We assert that the MAINSTREAM MEDIA is liberal."?
 

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