mespock
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Ahhhhh!!! don't say that please don't say the A word... I respect your opinions so much... I'm going to have nightmares now for months.
Performance Plug Wires? (Nology?)
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Ahhhhh!!! don't say that please don't say the A word... I respect your opinions so much... I'm going to have nightmares now for months.
turborich
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Yeah AUTOZONE kinda sucks, not so much their parts but rather their employees who just don't have a clue in most cases. There wires do carry a lifetime warranty though. Not sure if you will ever need to use it on the wires, YOU WILL have to use it on anything such as an alternator, waterpump, starter, etc!!!!!!!! Junk. They do carry a bunch of crap for the ricers though.
I am currious as how well these nology wires work as well. In the past I have never noticed an improvement from a properly working stock wire vs. a high performance wire such as an accell, msd, etc. Just my 2 cents.
I am currious as how well these nology wires work as well. In the past I have never noticed an improvement from a properly working stock wire vs. a high performance wire such as an accell, msd, etc. Just my 2 cents.
ONEBADMK8
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I agree about Autozone too, many many horror stories out this way.
Rich your correct about not feeling a difference with Accell, MSD..etc. quite simply because those wires typically have anywhere from 600-1500 ohms per foot of resistance and do NOT have any spark boosting capabilities where the Nology Wires have 300 ohms per foot and delivers a boosted spark.
Also when you go too low on ohm's per foot you start to get a EMI (Electro Magnetic Interference) effect which you will hear in your radio..etc.
Now MSD does offer as well as Moroso a low ohm wire but you will get that EMI problem and you will also not really see a difference in spark intensity between them.
NYC LS8
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ONEBADMK8
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I will do it. Ill bring home the ohm meter and a MSD wire and even a Bosch if I have one left and I will ohm them out.
MediumD
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Hey if you had a broken plug wire, had to go to work in the morning, and that was the only place open... you just might have Autozone/Duralast wires in your car too.
Give me a break... Not all sale people come from your local corner car lot.
I have been in sales a long time. What hurts sales is when you try to sell an item that will not perform to the level you sold it at. I would never try to sell an item that I knew was not on the same playing field as my competition.
Example: I was at one time in sales for a company that makes yellow welders, plasma cutters and torch outfits. I would have never sold my tig machine against a blue or red machine. My machine was not near the machine they had. Same classificaiton for same process, but not same machine.
Today I spoke with Geno on the phone about a chip application. I was told that for a project I was doing on my car, I would need to have a new chip burnt. Geno told me that was BS... he could have sold me a chip if he was only concerned about sales, but that is not how he operates. Real stand up guy.
Tim
I have been in sales a long time. What hurts sales is when you try to sell an item that will not perform to the level you sold it at. I would never try to sell an item that I knew was not on the same playing field as my competition.
Example: I was at one time in sales for a company that makes yellow welders, plasma cutters and torch outfits. I would have never sold my tig machine against a blue or red machine. My machine was not near the machine they had. Same classificaiton for same process, but not same machine.
Today I spoke with Geno on the phone about a chip application. I was told that for a project I was doing on my car, I would need to have a new chip burnt. Geno told me that was BS... he could have sold me a chip if he was only concerned about sales, but that is not how he operates. Real stand up guy.
Tim
IMHO - the likelihood of a $200 set of plug wires being any "better" in your average Mark VIII compared to a new set of lifetime warranty autozone plug wires is EXTREMELY small. The likelihood of increased mpg because of a set of Nology plug wires vs just a normal cheapy new set is probably even smaller. Lots of manufacturers and resellers make all kinds of claims, and most of it is BS. Horsepower and fuel mileage has infinitely more to do with your engine combination and tune than it does what stupid plug wires you run.
Paul.
Paul.
ONEBADMK8
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It's not BS at all. I as well as many others have gotten better MPG from these wires. As for the Junka$$ AZ & Pep wires, thats it they are junk, TERRIBLE resistance..etc. Watch how many times you replace them.
How is a 100,000 watt spark NOT going to be better then stock, and inturn give you better MPG because of the hotter spark burning more then the usual af mix in the combustion chamber.
Frogman
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What amperage do the oem mark VIII coils run at? Max output. Anyone know?
Icarus
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This is where I was headed with my question on resistance (EMI) and have heard & read many more complaints about interference with Nology than anyone else, especially on bikes (this part is first hand from my brother when he used to race, a set he had would make the tach go funny which I've seen & he's heard it from other bike guys too.)
Have you gotten any complaints on interference at all?
I'm using a set of Taylor Thundervolt 50's (50 ohm/ft, and yes, I've measured it & its pretty close to that.) and haven't heard any complaints about them so far, do you have any opinion how they'd compare with the Nology's Geno?
Thanks
mespock
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OK I guess in a last resort you may have to go there. Did they have to ask how many plug wires does a V-8 use?
I'm sorry... I'm on a mission from god to trash AZ as much as I can.:shifty: It's the morning and I still respect you...
JoeyLincolnMK8
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OK I guess in a last resort you may have to go there. Did they have to ask how many plug wires does a V-8 use?
It's the morning and I still respect you...
its like when i went to wallmart to buy some autolite plugs. one guy is like, how many spark plugs do you need. i replied 1 for every cylinder!!!??? duh!
Without a properly controlled, well-documented, and independent scientific test (which isn't going to ever happen I'm sure), I don't believe that claim for a minute.
How the hell does a plug wire change the amount of fuel being metered into the cylinder? The answer: It doesn't.
$200 for a set of plug wires on a daily driver is outrageous.
Paul.
MediumD
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Never thought I'd say this, but thank you Paul.
Actually I walked in, said "I broke a plug wire boot on my car." My friend who works there went and got the box, took 20% off the price, I paid and walked out with all 8 wires. I like my Autozone.
OK I guess in a last resort you may have to go there. Did they have to ask how many plug wires does a V-8 use?
It's the morning and I still respect you...
Actually I walked in, said "I broke a plug wire boot on my car." My friend who works there went and got the box, took 20% off the price, I paid and walked out with all 8 wires. I like my Autozone.
No problem man. Just tryin' to do my part to bring some reality to all the BS claims that manufacturers make about their products.
ONEBADMK8
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What are you talking about metering the amount of fuel? Who ever said that? I said it's a HOTTER spark therefore burning 98% or better of the combustion chaamber contents?
You have no way of determining what percentage of the air/fuel mixture is being burned by the stock ignition system (and I bet that Ford probably put a couple dollars into engineering the flame pattern in the combustion chamber) or how much "extra" is being burned by the magical Nology wires.
Furthermore, how does a hotter spark = more gas mileage? The same amount of fuel is being metered into the combustion event regardless of what spark plug wires are on the car.
Paul.
ONEBADMK8
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Yeah but if it's not all burned then???? A hotter spark burns more and more efficient wether its Nology, MSD? ANY hotter spark will burn more. The Nology's produce a 100,000 watt spark, thats pretty damn hot.
Moes8
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While i too question claims like that Dr Paul,i also can understand the idea behind better mpg,if said wires were to create a better spark and thus a better combustion(if thats the case) then of course the vehicle would be more effeciently propelled along,causing less fuel to be "metered" into the engine by reduction of drivers throttle application.
anytime any part of the combustion process is enhanced ,fuel economy would increase also.that part isn't to difficult to undestand,assuming the stock system is leaving a little "on the table"
the question remains as to whether these wires create more powerful spark,i have read stories going both ways.
Then what? Are you saying that the stock ignition system is incapable of a complete burn?
So, provided the factory ignition system is incapable of a complete burn (which I seriously doubt is true, seeing as how Ford would have emissions concerns with that), you're saying that Nology wires produce SO much more spark, that they have a measurable effect on fuel mileage? (which I also seriously doubt is true)
How do you know Nology produces a 100K watt spark? Because they told you? How about the factory spark? How many watts is that?
C'mon man, let's be realistic. Nology has been able to produce a neat gimmick with cool-looking plug wires, and sell them for a lot of money. This high sale price enables them to lifetime warranty a consumable product. I get a great return policy when I buy a $110 button-down shirt at Nordstrom's too, but that doesn't mean it performs any better than one I buy at the mall for a third of that.
I have a set of $130 plug wires on my car, so I understand the gimmick. I bought them because they look neato, and match the rest of the high-power, uber-cool ignition components on the rest of the car. Do I think there would be a huge difference in my power output if I put the stock stuff back on? Nope. Not even with the enormous level of modification to my motor.
Paul.
Dominus
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I don't want to jump on this whole little thing you all have going on here, but I just had a comment about the coils.
GM LS1 coils are some of the best out there on the market, and the DOHC Ford ones are some of the worst.
A lot of people tend to think that all OEM equipment is build with similar quality and capability, but nothing could be further from the truth. The reason why stock LS1 coil can cut it on a 2500HP engine is because they are well built fromt he factory. DOHC Ford coils barely cut it on an engine with less than half that power, and running a bunch of ignition band-aids to compensate, and they burn out very easily as well. I haven't seen a Mark VIII in years that actually had all 8 original coils and had all of them working properly.
GM LS1 coils are some of the best out there on the market, and the DOHC Ford ones are some of the worst.
A lot of people tend to think that all OEM equipment is build with similar quality and capability, but nothing could be further from the truth. The reason why stock LS1 coil can cut it on a 2500HP engine is because they are well built fromt he factory. DOHC Ford coils barely cut it on an engine with less than half that power, and running a bunch of ignition band-aids to compensate, and they burn out very easily as well. I haven't seen a Mark VIII in years that actually had all 8 original coils and had all of them working properly.
Frogman
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Someone please explain to me how exactly these wires deliver 100K watts of power? Wattage is a result of Voltage x amperage, no? That would mean to get 100K watts, we're looking at ~7400 amps coming out of the coils.
It can't just be a little capacitor that's the answer to it.
It can't just be a little capacitor that's the answer to it.