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http://TheRealMcCain.com/ There's no question John McCain is getting a free ride from the mainstream press. But with the power of YouTube and the blogosphere, we can provide an accurate portrayal of the so-called Maverick. We can put the brakes on his free ride!

Since we first released The Real McCain a year ago, our REAL McCain series has garnered close to 2 million views, with over 13,000 comments and tens of thousands more in petition signatures! Clearly, John McCain's record is something the public wants to discuss, and yet the corporate media is doing NOTHING to present the truth. We feel obliged to continue countering the mainstream media's love of McCain. And so we thought it was high time for a sequel: The Real McCain 2.


http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/325.html
 
War Hero?

John McCain is running as a war hero.

There are just a few problems with that.

He's despised by fellow Vets, especially fellow POWs, not only for cooperating with the enemy, but also for blocking every effort to make sure all American POWs were returned after the war.

Interestingly enough, the other veteran who obstructed truth on the matter was John Kerry, the fake candidate and Skull and Bones member who ran against Bush in 2004 and stepped aside in spite of massive and obvious electoral fraud in Ohio.


http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/390.html
 
President McCain?

Giuliani - the 9/11 ghoul - has been eliminated.

So has Mitt Romney, a high ranking member of a church that until relatively recently was officially racist.

Which leaves us with...this guy.

The Republicans managed to fraudulently put Bush in the White House - twice - and McCain is clearly a water boy for the War Party.

So, are we looking at the next president of the United States?


http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/272.html
 
I'm the last person who hasn't ignored you yet.
If you're engaged on this nonsense, will you actually debate it?
 
...and it's dishonest to do that in a video.
Other than fooling people, there's no honest reason to interject a video like that into a discussing. And certainly no reason to repeatedly post it. The context is missing, so the editor deliberately has done this to falsely give the impression McCain in lying.

Again, totally dishonest and beneath you for reposting.
 
Seriously, Stinkin' has plopped another load on this thread. It's a talent of his, he can take otherwise idiotic nonsense he finds on the internet and make it sound even more foolish after he filters it for us here.

There isn't a single valid point in anything he wrote.
 
Calabrio said:
Seriously, Stinkin' has plopped another load on this thread. It's a talent of his, he can take otherwise idiotic nonsense he finds on the internet and make it sound even more foolish after he filters it for us here.

There isn't a single valid point in anything he wrote.
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Notice how valid all this info is and you once again pretend to be blinded by actual facts.
As far as idiotic nonsense wow you should not be the one to even begin to talk.
Now you see just how much of a MAVERICK this idiot is as his own POW's cant stand his ass and you still seem to act like it's fake. Why don't you stick to the republican way of when actual information that isn't BIAS is being presented by calling names and trying to make yourself look smart.
 
Calabrio said:
...and it's dishonest to do that in a video.
Other than fooling people, there's no honest reason to interject a video like that into a discussing. And certainly no reason to repeatedly post it. The context is missing, so the editor deliberately has done this to falsely give the impression McCain in lying.

Again, totally dishonest and beneath you for reposting.
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Oh wow it's ok to put a video up of people trying to make Obama look bad, but when there is something strong in video and in words its dishonest. Calabrio get a grip man and just admit you see this is McCains own words and can't be hidden. But oh GOD let it be a video of something Obama said and it's a tragedy. Look at the video and YES McCAin is lying thru his swollen cheeks.
 
Calabrio said:
I'm the last person who hasn't ignored you yet.
If you're engaged on this nonsense, will you actually debate it?
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I wouldn't care if you ignored me. As far as being the last person i dont think so there are plenty more upstanding LVC members on here who share the same views as I do. So if you want to ignore me then move your mouse to do it.
 
StincolnLincoln said:
Notice how valid all this info is and you once again pretend to be blinded by actual facts.
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You say it's valid, based on what? I happen to know these statements you are reposting are NOT "valid."

So far, your response has lacked any substance.

As far as idiotic nonsense wow you should not be the one to even begin to talk.
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Why should I not begin to talk about how you are inclined to post idiotic nonsense?

You have yet to reply with anything of substance, or anything specific.


Now you see just how much of a MAVERICK this idiot is as his own POW's cant stand his ass and you still seem to act like it's fake.
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I can see that based on what?
What examples are there that support the claim that all POWs and Vietnam era veterans "can't stand his ass."

I know to the contrary. There are some people who resent his efforts to reopen trade and diplomatic ties with Vietnam in the 80s. I know of even more who think it was a good decision.

Why don't you stick to the republican way of when actual information that isn't BIAS is being presented by calling names and trying to make yourself look smart.
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Perhaps I missed the post where you presented facts.
You'll have to direct me to it. So far, I only see false claims and links to a website that lacks specifics, details, and credibility.
 
StincolnLincoln said:
Oh wow it's ok to put a video up of people trying to make Obama look bad, but when there is something strong in video and in words its dishonest. Calabrio get a grip man and just admit you see this is McCains own words and can't be hidden. But oh GOD let it be a video of something Obama said and it's a tragedy. Look at the video and YES McCAin is lying thru his swollen cheeks.
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If you don't understand the difference between a video that presents facts in a manner to convince, and one that takes things out of context with the intention of deceiving, then you're much to stupid to have this discussion.

You can make criticisms about McCain all day, but arguing that he's a "liar" is simply dishonest. And that video was deliberately edited to falsely give that impression.

Also, real classy attacking the guy for a physical ailment.
Are you making fun of his burns resulting from a carrier fire, his repeatedly broken jaw during his time as a POW, or his scar resulting from the melanoma caused by being locked in a bamboo cage in the sun?
 
StincolnLincoln said:
What's there to debate it's right there in anyones face to read and see and hear.
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Let me repeat this again, because you clearly have trouble with comprehension-

YOU HAVE MADE STATEMENTS THAT ARE NOT SUPPORTED BY FACTS.
BECAUSE YOU FOUND AN OBSCURE WEBSITE THAT SAYS IT, THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT SO.

I AM TELLING YOU THAT THE CLAIMS YOU MAKE ARE FALSE.
PRESENT AN ARGUMENT SUPPORTING THE CLAIMS YOU'VE MADE.
I WILL THEN RESPOND TO YOUR ARGUMENT.

Get it?

It's not tricky stuff. There's only a week left for you to figure this stuff out. After 11/04 you're not going to be interested in this stuff anymore and you can return to your quiet ignorance.
 
Lmao so your telling me you happen to know it's fake. So video about him talking in circles (double talk) if fake, and the one about him voting not to go back and get the remaining POW is false as well. I seriously doubt that either are fake. Especially the one where he was stuttering his ass off. Those are his own words you heard them yourself.

I can careless what you think of the post i put up. Like i said earlier i notice you make comments about videos on Obama being either funny, a good source and many of them were edited as well. I will keep posting what i find on McSame dispite your obvious BIAS opinions.
 
StincolnLincoln said:
A war hero NOT!!!! I am sure you watched what other surviving POW's had to say.
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What has Obama done for this country? Convince me that he has experience....facts please! Explain to me why he will not divulge certain documentation? Tell me why he sat under the so called Rev. Wright's preaching for twenty years? Rationalize his relationships with Ayers, Rashid Khalidi, and others? Help us here so that we can see this man in the same light that you do. I don't know where this man comes from or even what he stands for, except that he is for "Change". Tell us, what change....redistribution of wealth, socialism, reparations?

A little advice to you Stincoln....perhaps if you spent a little more time objectively looking at Obama and just a little less time looking for garbage on McCain, you might find wisdom in the questions I've posed here. Good luck in your quest. I'll be waiting for your answers.
 
Machspeed; A little advice to you Stincoln....perhaps if you spent a little more time objectively looking at Obama and just a little less time looking for garbage on McCain said:
Once again another McSame fan. Like the post says The Real McCain. It shows just what he has done for this country. Especially what he has done for his buddies that were POW's like him. As far as Obama goes i support him in this election and if you have anything to say about him then start your own thread.
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StincolnLincoln said:
War Hero?

John McCain is running as a war hero.

There are just a few problems with that.

He's despised by fellow Vets, especially fellow POWs, not only for cooperating with the enemy, but also for blocking every effort to make sure all American POWs were returned after the war.

Interestingly enough, the other veteran who obstructed truth on the matter was John Kerry, the fake candidate and Skull and Bones member who ran against Bush in 2004 and stepped aside in spite of massive and obvious electoral fraud in Ohio.


http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/390.html
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There have been numerous POW investigations with no results. Get off it!
 
Machspeed said:
What has Obama done for this country? Convince me that he has experience....facts please! Explain to me why he will not divulge certain documentation? Tell me why he sat under the so called Rev. Wright's preaching for twenty years? Rationalize his relationships with Ayers, Rashid Khalidi, and others? Help us here so that we can see this man in the same light that you do. I don't know where this man comes from or even what he stands for, except that he is for "Change". Tell us, what change....redistribution of wealth, socialism, reparations?

A little advice to you Stincoln....perhaps if you spent a little more time objectively looking at Obama and just a little less time looking for garbage on McCain, you might find wisdom in the questions I've posed here. Good luck in your quest. I'll be waiting for your answers.
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MAC1 said:
There have been numerous POW investigations with no results. Get off it!
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Notice what the video shows. It clearly shows men saying exactly what actions took place to hide evidence so now you get off it!!!.

Let me also add this website to the mix when it comes to your statement about POW investigations with results.

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/
 
Why would they disown and attempt to discredit and disgrace one of their own - Ted Guy - a POW who has been dead for nearly a decade -- in order to establish cover for John McCain? For shame! But now, Ted Guy has risen from the grave to tell the truth about John McCain. And whether the NAM-POW leadership likes it or not, one's credibility is based on TRUTH, not heat and emotion in the midst of a political battle - no matter how crucial the outcome! click here to visit Patriots Revolt and read more of this story.


Palin: Liar or Misled?

Submitted by Eagle II - Comments? Click on blog click on same title.


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NAM VET Newsletter / VETLINK #1
Page 28
Volume 5, Number 9
September 17, 1991

PENTAGON ADMITS TO CONGRESS THAT POWS ARE ALIVE IN LAOS!!!!!!!
By Mike Blair
August 26, 1991 Exclusive to the Spotlight


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During her acceptance speech at the RNC, Palin told a tall tale about John McCain and torture. It's hard to believe that this charming lady is a liar.. so for the moment I will opt for misled.



Lets see.. John McCain was viewed being marched down a corridor through a "pinhole" by another PoW... then marched back "after torture" where in he, John McCain, looked at the "pinhole" fresh from being "tortured" winked at the pinhole and gave it a thumbs up? Read below for an example of what "torture" is.. see what happened in "one instance below" to Col. Ted Guy, Then try and convince any one you looked at a "pinhole" smiled and gave a thumbs up.. (Some one ask for boots - cause the BS meter has gone on overflow) - I will be making a cut of that part of her speech tomorow and it will be posted here along with other true stories from PoW's who were tortured.



Text from transcript of Palins Speech: (BOOTS ON)

"A fellow...A fellow prisoner of war, a man named Tom Moe of Lancaster, Ohio...


Tom Moe recalls looking through a pinhole in his cell door as Lieutenant Commander
John McCain was led down the hallway by the guards, day after day. And the story
is told, when McCain shuffled back from torturous interrogations, he would turn
towards Moe's door, and he'd flash a grin and a thumbs up, as if to say,
"We're going to pull through this.""

(BOOTS OFF)







The basis of my statement comes from first common,(unless McCain was beaten with a feather duster) sense and secondly from two PoW's who were McCains Senior Ranking Officers, Col. Ted Guy and Col. Gordon "Swede" Larson. The post-war life of McCain affirms as well. His treatment of the PoW/MIA Families(Click here to view video's). His urge, along side Sent. John Kerry, despite McCain had found evidence that a tiny handful of men were left behind, to abandon the PoW/MIA issue and thus a "tiny handful of men". What if one was you father? What if there was only "one" and he was your father or other relative? In my humble estimation any one in harms way is my countryman, my brother or sister by birthright and deserves every measure our great nation has available to insure they are freed.





NOTE:

Two former POWs, Air Force Colonels Ted Guy and Gordon "Swede" Larson, said in a March 25, 1999, Phoenix New Times feature article that while they could not guarantee that McCain was not physically harmed, they doubted it. Both Guy and Larson were senior ranking officers (SRO's) in McCain's POW camp at a time he claims he was in solitary confinement and being tortured. Larson told the New Times,



"Between the two of us, it's our belief, and to the best of our knowledge, that no prisoner was beaten or harmed physically in that camp [known as 'The Plantation']. "My only contention with the McCain deal is that while he was at The Plantation, to the best of my knowledge and Ted's knowledge, he was not physically abused in any way. No one was in that camp. It was the camp that people were released from."



(Col. Ted Guy (The Fox was his code name then) was the exception. Col Guy spent most of his internment years in solitary confinement and was brutally beaten - even at the Plantation.) That's because Col. Guy was a hero who pledged death before dishonor. He also issued an order as SRO that no one accept early release or face court martial if and when repatriated. McCain didn't accept early release as he was ORDERED not to and would have been court martialed had he accepted any offer and left. Doug Hegdahl was one of the Few Col. Guy allowed to leave.



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In March, at the Plantation, Doug Hegdahl had received a message from Dick Stratton: "The Fox says go home with his blessing." Fox was the code name of Air Force Lt. Col. Theodore W. Guy, who was senior to Hervey Stockman and had succeeded him as SRO. Guy had not been immediately agreeable to Stratton's proposal that Hegdahl leave early, but Beak, now code­named Wizard, had been persuasive. With Guy persuaded, Hegdahl had only to sell the Vietnamese on the idea. (Read the entire story here: The Hanoi Hilton & Surrounding Villa's Click on Doug Hegdahl (Picture of Doug in story )



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For more information from 1999 when Ted Guy went after John McCain just before Col. Guy died Click Here http://www.patriotsrevolt.com/



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Where is "Hero" John McCains Name? I See Col. Ted Guy's.




Col. Ted Guy, McCains SRO at the Plantation in North Vietnam Camps is #33 on the right in the list of Medal Honors below. Col. Ted W. Guy, was abandoned and belittled by NAMPoW members for his stance on PoW's and MIA's who were left behind and his strong opinion John McCain would only harm our nation if President. Of course most of the bad mouth came after his death. Col. Guy started the first real "SwiftVet movement with his campaign to "Just say NO to John McCain" in 1999 just before he passed away. Col. Guy was a Veteran Air Jock of Korea & Vietnam wars. Col. Guy was not a medal seeker nor one to brag about what he earned. If you looked over his ordeal and what he did he should have been awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. For more info on Col. Ted Guy click on Home. and here: Tribute to PoW Ted Guy or The Hanoi Hilton & Surrounding Villa's

Air Force Cross

Col Theodore W. Guy, USAF

Air Force Distinguished Service Medal

Col Theodore W. Guy, USAF (2 awards)

Silver Star

Col Theodore W. Guy, USAF (2 awards)

Distinguished Flying Cross

Col Theodore W. Guy, USAF (6 awards)

Bronze Star

Col Theodore W. Guy, USAF (4 awards w/V)

Purple Heart

Col Theodore W. Guy, USAF (4 awards)

(Note: nearly all POWs were authorized 1 Purple Heart )



Top 50 Most Highly Decorated U.S. Military Personnel of All Time

[ Compiled by NAM PoW Historian Mike McGrath of MAC'sFacts Fame ]


On this page I have used my Medal Points System to list the Top 50 Most Highly Decorated U.S. Mlitary Personnel in American History. This includes all military branches and all time periods. Although I believe the list to be inclusive of all Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines, it is still a work in progress. As I research new personnel, it is possible I will find someone new that will make the top 50 list. My master list I work from includes over 300 military personnel. There are two lists: the first list requires that the person has to have been awarded the Medal of Honor; the second list simply totals up the person's points, no matter what their highest decoration is.



Top 50 With Medal of Honor: Top 50 by points, regardless of highest decoration:

1. GA Douglas MacArthur, USA 1. GA Douglas MacArthur, USA
2. Col Edward V. Rickenbacker, USAAS 2. Col David H. Hackworth, USA
3. CDR Samuel D. Dealey, USN 3. Col Edward V. Rickenbacker, USAAS
4. Col Robert L. Howard, USA 4. CDR Samuel D. Dealey, USN
5. VADM John D. Bulkeley, USN 5. Col James H. Kasler, USAF
6. RADM Richard H. O'Kane, USN 6. LtGen Lewis B. Puller, USMC
7. Maj Thomas B. McGuire, Jr., USAAF 7. Col David C. Schilling, USAF
8. VADM James B. Stockdale, USN 8. Gen John C. Meyer, USAF
9. Maj Gen Smedley D. Butler, USMC 9. Col Robert L. Howard, USA
10. Maj Richard I. Bong, USAAF 10. Gen James A. Van Fleet, USA
11. SgtMaj Daniel J. Daly, USMC 11. VADM John D. Bulkeley, USN
12. RADM Eugene B. Fluckey, USN 12. RADM Richard H. O'Kane, USN
13. Gen Raymond G. Davis, USMC 13. BG John T. Corley, USA
14. Col George E. Day, USAF 14. Gen William E. DePuy, USA
15. Col George A. Davis, USAF 15. Col Francis S. Gabreski, USAF
16. PO1 James E. Williams, USN 16. Maj Thomas B. McGuire, Jr., USAAF
17. Col Leo K. Thorsness, USAF 17. VADM James B. Stockdale, USN
18. VADM Lawson P. Ramage, USN 18. Gen John R. Deane, Jr., USA
19. LTC Raymond Harvey, USA 19. MajGen Smedley D. Butler, USMC
20. MajGen James L. Day, USMC 20. Col Ralph S. Parr, Jr., USAF
21. LCDR John C. McCloy, USN 21. RADM Roy M. Davenport, USN
22. Col Lloyd L. Burke, USA 22. Maj Richard I. Bong, USAAF
23. VADM Joel T. Boone, USN 23. Maj Gen Robert M. White, USAF
24. Col Gordon Johnston, USA 24. SgtMaj Daniel J. Daly, USMC
25. Capt Joe R. Hooper, USA 25. RADM Eugene B. Fluckey, USN
26. Maj Gen Merritt A. Edson, USMC 26. Gen Raymond G. Davis, USMC
27. BGen Herman H. Hanneken, USMC 27. Gen Creighton W. Abrams, Jr., USA
28. Maj Audie L. Murphy, USA 28. Brig Gen R. Stephen Ritchie, USAF
29. Col Lewis L. Millett, USA 29. Col George E. Day, USAF
30. CAPT David McCampbell, USN 30. Col George A. Davis, USAF
31. Col James E. Swett, USMC 31. Lt Gen John P. Flynn, USAF
32. CPL John H. Pruitt, USMC 32. Brig Gen Robin Olds, USAF
33. Maj Louis Cukela, USMC 33. Col Theodore W. Guy, USAF
34. LTC Matt L. Urban, USA 34. PO1 James E. Williams, USN
35. MG Patrick H. Brady, USA 35. ADM Bernard A. Clarey, USN
36. MG William F. Dean, USA 36. Col Leo K. Thorsness, USAF
37. Gen James H. Doolittle, USAF 37. Maj Gen Frank O. Hunter, USAAF
38. MajGen Wendell C. Neville, USMC 38. VADM Lawson P. Ramage, USN
39. ADM Jonas H. Ingram, USN 39. Gen Lemuel C. Sheperd, Jr., USMC
40. Sgt Matej Kocak, USMC 40. Lt Gen Jay T. Robbins, USAF
41. Gen Leon W. Johnson, USAF 41. Gen Wayne A. Downing, USA
42. 1stLt Henry L. Hulbert, USMC 42. Brig Gen Robinson Risner, USAF
43. MG William J. Donovan, USA 43. Maj Gen Raymond L. Murray, USMC
44. CDR Howard W. Gilmore, USN 44. Gen Walton H. Walker, USA
45. LtCol Kenneth A. Walsh, USMC 45. Gen Matthew B. Ridgeway, USA
46. MG Frank D. Baldwin, USA 46. LTC Raymond Harvey, USA
47. LtCol Thomas W. Custer, USA 47. Maj Gen James L. Day, USMC
48. CAPT Ludwig A. Olsen, USN 48. LTG Hanford MacNider, USA
49. CAPT Albert Weisbogel, USN 49. LTG Henry E. Emerson, USA
50. 1SG Henry Hogan, USA 50. LTG Welborn G. Dolvin, USA
 
.....War Hero My A$$

Since the pic is so small in the top caption its says

The most powerful job in the free world doesn't require a background check

and at the bottom:

Ask John McCain why he used his influence to have his POW records permanently sealed from public scrutiny.

TheManchurianCandidate8[1].jpg
 
StincolnLincoln said:
Once again another McSame fan. Like the post says The Real McCain. It shows just what he has done for this country. Especially what he has done for his buddies that were POW's like him. As far as Obama goes i support him in this election and if you have anything to say about him then start your own thread.
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Jeez, is that all you got!!! Why don't you address the questions I asked of you? You won't because you can't justify this man on anything. You're not voting for him because he has experience or any of the attributes of a leader. Reading through some of your other bunk, I would venture to say the only reason you're voting for this man is one, he's black, and two, you think he's going to give you something..... something you didn't earn. That is the problem with government today....handouts.
 
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