Traitor Kerry calls troops uneducated

No I did not miss it..................

95DevilleNS said:
Did you miss the thread where I thanked TommyB for setting it straight for me and (important part to follow) where I said I "misread" Fosstens post, I thought the written part was the same as the video and did not bother to watch it. So besides condemning me for making a simple honest mistake, what have you? Nothing. Also, asking a question is not necessarily 'jumping to ones defense' you chronic knee-jerker. As for your claim that I defend any Democrat no matter what, that is another load of #$@%.
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I saw your apology, and your after the fact apology sounds almost just like Kerry's. You have a history on this forum of bashing anyone of the Republican party, and heaping praise on the democratic party. Your views run along political lines.

I do not need Fosten or anyone else on this forum to "Cheer Lead" for me. I base my opinions on presented proof, not political affiliation. I happen to not like Rush Limbaugh because of his brash, I am always right, and if you do not agree with me you are a moron style.

And it was not a knee jerk reaction, it was a well thought out reply to your politically slanted views as expressed on this forum. Nothing else. Nothing personal. Hell, I would tell Bush, Kerry, or any other person my opinion of them if they posted on this forum and were slanted just by political affiliation. I disagree with a lot of what Bush did and still does, but not because of his political affiliation.

Show me one post on this forum where you agreed with someone who posted something bad about a democrat. You can't. So I believe that it if you look down at that soapbox that you are standing on, you will see that the bull$h!t is in your court.
 
You have your opinions, and I have mine.........

MonsterMark said:
I agree with Deville. Deville made a mistake and noted it. I give him a ton of credit for that. Plus, he is not a rubber stamp, imho, of Dims, although I admit to not knowing his voting record. He does appear to be more 'fair' on the subjects than most that would be considered 'from the left'. He has demonstrated a willingness to listen and adjusts his thinking based on the arguments. I'll add that I feel he stays true to his convictions, which I also commend.
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I would give him credit for the apology too, if it weren't for the fact that he takes every opportunity he can to bash repubs and heap praise on dems.

You state that he has a willingness to listen and adjust in one sentence, and then say that he stays true to his convictions in another, which is it??

Contrary to what you may believe, it is not Deville personally that I have a problem with. It is his stated opinions that are undeniably along party lines. As I have told him and stated on this forum, we may very well have a lot of opinions in common, but I do not allow my opinions to be made just because of party affiliation.


Kerry said what he said. A botched joke or not he said it. He has a history of making statements and then retracting them or trying to explain away his inability to think before he talks. It was brought up by others that Kerry is an educated man, then why is he so damn stupid.

Comparing our soldiers in Nam to Ghengis Kahn. Stupid
I voted for it before I voted against it. Stupid
If you are uneducated you will be sent to IRAQ. The stupidest yet.

This man has pulled the trigger on his political suicide gun all by himself on more than one occasion. And yes, if he were a republican I would feel the exact same way about him.
 
Very well put........

MAC1 said:
John Kerry lost the 2004 presidential election in part due to his attacks against the military going back to his 1971 testimony before Congress. Simply put, many voters did not respect him and felt that he betrayed the military and therefore could not be trusted. I believe as recently as a couple of weeks ago he said that he would not retract any of his 1971 testimony. At this point, however, to admit to lying before Congress would definitely end his political career.

Nevertheless, John Kerry is pretty arrogant as demonstrated by his unwillingness to apologize in the face of an obvious insulting remark or a so-called botched “joke.” Moreover, his attacks against President Bush indicates that he has no problem running his mouth.

While Kerry perhaps would not intentionally damage his political career the real truth may be that he can't help himself. Assuming voters conclude that his “joke” was not a joke after all, suffice it to say when all is said and done he really did deliberately end his political career.
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I could not have stated it better myself. He pulled the trigger all by himself. Even Hillary Clinton stated that he owes an apology to the troops.
 
bufordtpisser said:
I saw your apology, and your after the fact apology sounds almost just like Kerry's. You have a history on this forum of bashing anyone of the Republican party, and heaping praise on the democratic party. Your views run along political lines.

I do not need Fosten or anyone else on this forum to "Cheer Lead" for me. I base my opinions on presented proof, not political affiliation. I happen to not like Rush Limbaugh because of his brash, I am always right, and if you do not agree with me you are a moron style.

And it was not a knee jerk reaction, it was a well thought out reply to your politically slanted views as expressed on this forum. Nothing else. Nothing personal. Hell, I would tell Bush, Kerry, or any other person my opinion of them if they posted on this forum and were slanted just by political affiliation. I disagree with a lot of what Bush did and still does, but not because of his political affiliation.

Show me one post on this forum where you agreed with someone who posted something bad about a democrat. You can't. So I believe that it if you look down at that soapbox that you are standing on, you will see that the bull$h!t is in your court.
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Well, unless you can somehow tell me how I could "apologize" BEFORE TommyB explained my error to me and I realized the mistake I had made, I am at a loss for words... Again, that is complete horse#$%#, I do not have a history of bashing every Republican, either prove it or shut it up.

I never said or implied that you needed Fossten as support and I agree with you on Rush.

It was a knee-jerk reaction, you still fail to notice that I made a mistake in reading Fossten's original post and I admitted to making the mistake when TommyB showed it.
 
MAC1 said:
John Kerry lost the 2004 presidential election in part due to his attacks against the military going back to his 1971 testimony before Congress. Simply put, many voters did not respect him and felt that he betrayed the military and therefore could not be trusted. I believe as recently as a couple of weeks ago he said that he would not retract any of his 1971 testimony. At this point, however, to admit to lying before Congress would definitely end his political career.

Nevertheless, John Kerry is pretty arrogant as demonstrated by his unwillingness to apologize in the face of an obvious insulting remark or a so-called botched “joke.” Moreover, his attacks against President Bush indicates that he has no problem running his mouth.

While Kerry perhaps would not intentionally damage his political career the real truth may be that he can't help himself. Assuming his “joke” was not a joke after all, suffice it to say when all is said and done he really did deliberately end his political career.
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As distasteful as those of you on the right found it, Clinton's Fox News interview energized a lot of Democrats who were sick and tired of being on the defensive from the right-wing media thugs. Clinton earned a lot of "street cred" amongst Democrats for that interview.

Kerry caught a sh!tload of flack after the 2004 elections for bowing to those same people, especially from the Swift Boaters. And rightly so. Not standing up to them cost him the election. The problem is, he didn't come to realize that until after he had lost. Now he's "seen the light" and has decided to be a tough guy. Well too late, idiot.

So when it came to the initial reaction to his comments, he was still under the delusion that the "intelligent" people understood what he had meant (got the joke), and he decided to "pull a Clinton". Act all tough and defiant and stand up to the right-wing thugs, and come out a hero. The problem is that Kerry isn't Clinton. He was too stupid to realize that his words were, in fact, taken wrong by the vast majority of Americans, including the ones he was speaking to (including me). By the time he truly realized his blunder it was once again too late. His later apology came out looking like a last-ditch effort to save face.

That's the way I see it.

The man is a walking disaster.
 
TommyB said:
Kerry caught a sh!tload of flack after the 2004 elections for bowing to those same people, especially from the Swift Boaters. And rightly so. Not standing up to them cost him the election. The problem is, he didn't come to realize that until after he had lost. Now he's "seen the light" and has decided to be a tough guy.
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Your point is well taken. Kerry did say that he would not be "Swift Boated" again. However, his handling of this matter shows a certain amount of ineptness. Sometimes, it's best to immediately apologize even if no harm was meant and even if the apology is meant to merely appease those who may have been offended by something said or done. A sincere apology can go a long way to defuse an otherwise bad situation.

Kerry's tough man act did him no good here.
 
Kerry's '72 Army Comments Mirror Latest
Nov 2, 3:12 AM (ET)

By JOHN SOLOMON
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(AP) John Kerry, Democratic congressional campaigner in the Fifth District, speaks at a news conference Sept. 18, 1972 in Boston. During the Vietnam era, Kerry opposed a volunteer Army because it would be dominated by the underprivileged, be less accountable and be more prone to "the perpetuation of war crimes." (AP Photo/Bill Chaplis)

WASHINGTON (AP) - During a Vietnam-era run for Congress three decades ago, John Kerry said he opposed a volunteer Army because it would be dominated by the underprivileged, be less accountable and be more prone to "the perpetuation of war crimes."

Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran who turned against the war, made the observations in answers to a 1972 candidate questionnaire from a Massachusetts peace group.

After Kerry caused a firestorm this week with what he termed a botched campaign joke that Republicans said insulted current soldiers, The Associated Press was alerted to the historical comments by a former law enforcement official who monitored 1970s anti-war activities

Kerry apologized Wednesday for the 2006 campaign trail gaffe that some took as suggesting U.S. soldiers fighting in Iraq were undereducated. He contended the remark was aimed at Bush, not the soldiers.

In 1972, as he ran for the House, he was less apologetic in his comments about the merits of a volunteer army. He declared in the questionnaire that he opposed the draft but considered a volunteer army "a greater anathema."

"I am convinced a volunteer army would be an army of the poor and the black and the brown," Kerry wrote. "We must not repeat the travesty of the inequities present during Vietnam. I also fear having a professional army that views the perpetuation of war crimes as simply 'doing its job.'

"Equally as important, a volunteer army with our present constitutional crisis takes accountability away from the president and put the people further from control over military activities," he wrote.

Kerry's spokesman, David Wade, said Wednesday the historical document needed to be viewed in the era in which it was written but that it nonetheless raised a "bedrock question in a time of war when sacrifice should be shared by all Americans."

"These are the words 34 years ago of a 28-year-old veteran home from a war gone wrong, wondering who in America will bear the cost of battle and shoulder the responsibility of military service," Wade said.

Kerry filled out the candidate questionnaire at the request of Massachusetts Political Action for Peace, an anti-war group that decades later turned over its historical documents to university researchers.

AP obtained the document from someone who gathered it from archives during Kerry's unsuccessful 2004 presidential campaign against President Bush. Republicans in that election relentlessly assailed Kerry's role in the anti-war movement decades earlier.

Kerry and Bush renewed their rivalry again this week, with the president accusing Kerry of offending troops. Kerry said he botched the text of a joke and didn't mean to insult troops.

On Wednesday, Kerry canceled campaign appearance on behalf of Democratic congressional candidates and issued an apology.
 
So what you are saying is..................

95DevilleNS said:
Well, unless you can somehow tell me how I could "apologize" BEFORE TommyB explained my error to me and I realized the mistake I had made, I am at a loss for words... Again, that is complete horse#$%#, I do not have a history of bashing every Republican, either prove it or shut it up.

I never said or implied that you needed Fossten as support and I agree with you on Rush.

It was a knee-jerk reaction, you still fail to notice that I made a mistake in reading Fossten's original post and I admitted to making the mistake when TommyB showed it.
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That you made a knee jerk reaction to Fosten's post, and only after TommyB pointed out the error of your ways did you apologize??

And I must reiterate that the horse$h!t smell is coming from your side of the fence.

Your posts prove my point about you being a repub hater, I do not have anything to prove to you or anybody else. Anybody who wants to see your party line hating posts only need to read your posts. So maybe, just maybe it is you that needs to do the shutting up.

You want me to make an assumption that you made a mistake in reading Fostens post. I do not make assumptions about anything. I make educated decisions based on facts and or factual history. So therefore, my post was based on the fact that you made your post in favor of Kerry, and the factual history of your decidedly anti republican and pro democratic posts in the past.Like it or not, this time you are wrong.

Again I will state that it is not a personal attack on you as you seem to believe. It is an attack on your constant pro democrat rhetoric that is not proven by fact.
 
bufordtpisser said:
That you made a knee jerk reaction to Fosten's post, and only after TommyB pointed out the error of your ways did you apologize??

And I must reiterate that the horse$h!t smell is coming from your side of the fence.

Your posts prove my point about you being a repub hater, I do not have anything to prove to you or anybody else. Anybody who wants to see your party line hating posts only need to read your posts. So maybe, just maybe it is you that needs to do the shutting up.

You want me to make an assumption that you made a mistake in reading Fostens post. I do not make assumptions about anything. I make educated decisions based on facts and or factual history. So therefore, my post was based on the fact that you made your post in favor of Kerry, and the factual history of your decidedly anti republican and pro democratic posts in the past.Like it or not, this time you are wrong.

Again I will state that it is not a personal attack on you as you seem to believe. It is an attack on your constant pro democrat rhetoric that is not proven by fact.
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No, a knee-jerk would be if I didn't read the article and just went off of Fossten's thread title. I did in fact read the article and did not read in it that Kerry had insulted the military hence my question of 'where did Kerry insult the troops in the article'. I misread the post and thought that the video section and the written where one in the same, which lead to the confusion on my part which I have repeatedly owned to being my mistake and no one else's. For some reason you're fixated on pointing the finger and accusing long after I have admitted my error. I will say it again... I MADE A MISTAKE.

Like I said, either back up your claims that I am a blind Republican hater or be proven the liar...

I do not want you to make any assumption, in the first page of this thread TommyB corrected me and I admitted my error, see post #22. As far as being anti or pro anything in this thread, I simply asked a question, it wasn't pro or anti anything. Fossten's thread title had made a claim that I did not see (my fault), hence the question.
 
Apology accepted...................

95DevilleNS said:
No, a knee-jerk would be if I didn't read the article and just went off of Fossten's thread title. I did in fact read the article and did not read in it that Kerry had insulted the military hence my question of 'where did Kerry insult the troops in the article'. I misread the post and thought that the video section and the written where one in the same, which lead to the confusion on my part which I have repeatedly owned to being my mistake and no one else's. For some reason you're fixated on pointing the finger and accusing long after I have admitted my error. I will say it again... I MADE A MISTAKE.

Like I said, either back up your claims that I am a blind Republican hater or be proven the liar...

I do not want you to make any assumption, in the first page of this thread TommyB corrected me and I admitted my error, see post #22. As far as being anti or pro anything in this thread, I simply asked a question, it wasn't pro or anti anything. Fossten's thread title had made a claim that I did not see (my fault), hence the question.
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Lets just agree to disagree. You made a mistake. You admitted to it. But I reserve the right to call you out on what I see as a party line record of bashing.
 
bufordtpisser said:
Lets just agree to disagree. You made a mistake. You admitted to it. But I reserve the right to call you out on what I see as a party line record of bashing.
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Tell you what, I concede defeat, you win the internet... Reserve anything you like, but be able and willing to prove an accusation.
 
95DevilleNS said:
Tell you what, I concede defeat, you win the internet... Reserve anything you like, but be able and willing to prove an accusation.
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I think Buford recognized it and I proved it.

But I agree, let's move on.
 
fossten said:
I think Buford recognized it and I proved it.

But I agree, let's move on.
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If you say so Fossten... As far as proving that I attack all Republicans blindly, I am still waiting for the evidence. Something tells me I better not hold my breath for it.
 
To whom this may concern,

I dont care if you are a repubulican or a democrat, I was a soldier for 8 years and I will not stand by and let anyone badmouth our military. They are fighting and dying for us, and they deserve our respect. I love them for what they are doing for us, and I am hurt for each and everyone of them that are lost. They are like family they are the bravest people that I know, I thank them everyday for their sacrifices. And so should we all I still have friends that are still in and we still talk about the ones that we have lost and keep their memories alive. So please leave my extended family out of this they have enough to worry about.
 
So much for Kerry's "apology."


November 3, 2006
http://www.johnkerry.com/news/articles/newsarticle.html?id=80

Kerry's Remark: Right either way

Seattle Post-Intelligencer
Editorial Board

Republicans evidenced their election desperation by braying about an offhand comment that Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., made at a California college rally.

"Education" Kerry said "-- if you make the most of it and you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

Was Kerry making fun of the president, or warning students against the pitfalls awaiting the undereducated in general?

It doesn't matter. Kerry was right either way.

Kerry wasn't saying -- regardless of the Republican spin -- that our troops are stupid.

Kerry's intended point was obvious. President Bush didn't do his homework before he ordered the invasion. He didn't study the intricacies of Mideast religion, culture, politics and tribalism. He wasn't smart about it and we are stuck in Iraq.

Although there are plenty of well-educated people in our armed forces -- Kerry was one of them -- military service has long been an opportunity employer for those with less education and fewer skills than they need to work in the private sector. Indeed, the military sells itself as a place to garner skills and to help pay for higher education.

And wars, including this one, are often fought by those less privileged -- albeit no less smart -- than the sons and daughters of those who lead us into them.

Apologies? Sure, from the cut-and-run Democratic candidates who've cancelled appearances with Kerry.
 
It appears John Kerry said exactly what he wanted to say. The so-called “joke” was not part of his written speech. He should have corrected any misstatement and apologized and also made clear what he really meant to say. Instead, he decided to deny what he said and made up a ridiculous excuse. It was only a matter of time before his big mouth got him in trouble.
 
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Feel free to insert "John Kerry hates our troops" as the caption for the last toon if you must...
 
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