Tyranny arrives in America under the guise of good intentions

No, I just expect intellectual integrity as opposed to hyperbole...

You could try to explain your positions and opinions in a manner that's more readily understandable to the average 100 IQ person as opposed to us higher numbered people here on this board.
Examples are a good way to do that.
Elegance is stating complex things in a way regular folks can readily grasp and understand.
Otherwise you risk winding up talking mostly to yourself for yourself.
 
All welfare recipients should be mandated to have a simple surgical procedure---some sort of modification to the genitals, regardless of gender, to make it possible to install a padlock so that reproduction is virtually impossible.

Ah, I am so proud of you KS - 'regardless of gender'... that is music to my ears...;)
 
Oh - your 19 Trillion dollar estimate is mostly loans - loans that are being paid back... how much is it if you remove the loans. How much is it if the loans are paid back with interest? What is the estimated rate of return on those loans? What is the estimated failure rate on those loans?
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President Obama castigated Senate Republicans last week for opposing Sen. Chris Dodd's Wall Street "reform bill." Democrats say Republicans' main argument — that the bill won't prevent future bailouts — is false. The bill itself, though, is irrefutable evidence that the Republicans are dead on.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell started the fight earlier in the week when he said the bill "not only allows for taxpayer funded bailouts for Wall Street banks, it actually institutionalizes them."

The White House and congressional Democrats have hit back hard. "I am absolutely confident that the bill that emerges is going to be a bill that prevents bailouts," Obama said.

His Treasury chief, Tim Geithner, was even stronger. The bill will ensure that "if a major institution manages itself to the edge of the abyss, we're able to ... dismember them safely without taxpayers being exposed to a penny of loss," he said.

Dodd was the bluntest: "The bill as drafted ends bailouts. Nothing could be more clear."

In the 1,336-page text, though, Dodd left room for regulators to be generous with citizens' money. For example, the bill would direct the FDIC, which would wind down too-big-to-fail financial firms, to operate under only "a strong presumption that creditors and shareholders will bear the losses."

As for whether the bill puts taxpayers at risk: failed firms must repay "any amounts owed to the United States, unless the United States agrees or consents otherwise" (italics mine).

Why would the financial firm owe Uncle Sam money in the first place? Partly because of something else in the bill: an "orderly liquidation fund." Big or complex financial firms would have to pay upfront into a Treasury-controlled $50 billion pot of money that would bear the cost of liquidating a future AIG.

The FDIC would have the authority to use this money as it sees fit, including guaranteeing bondholders, uninsured lenders, counterparties and other creditors to a failed company just as the government did with AIG and Citigroup in 2008.

The idea that the financial industry can pre-fund its next arbitrary bailout with $50 billion is a pleasant fiction. How much would an "orderly liquidation fund" have needed to stem investor panic starting in 2008? Try $20 trillion.

The true tab is not the retroactive cost. Rather, it's what investors demand at the time of an acute crisis so as not to flee the unknowable risks of a financial system in meltdown, precipitating depression.

So you're wrong anyway, but I'll bite.

What's the United States' credit rating right now?

How can a nation with no money lend money? How will the loans be paid back when the economy is in the toilet and Wall Street is on the verge of being destroyed?

The government doesn't have TWENTY TRILLION DOLLARS. So again, WHERE DID WE GET THE MONEY FOR THIS?

GEITHNER: Good bill, tough bill with teeth. It constrains risk taking so these guys can't take on this huge risk which (unintelligible) going to leverage, uh, imperil the system again. But if they do, we get to put them out of their misery, unwind them, you know, organize the elegant funeral for them.

So, if this isn't real money backed by real firms, not even backed by a government's real ability to tax or borrow, then it's a fiction.

Like I said, you aren't grounded in reality.
 

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