What happened to Detroit?

I doesn't take a PHD to figure out what's going wrong with the Detroit, and Michigan for that matter, how the UAW is BLEEDING the entire state of Michigan dry how all the unions are destroying everything they touch from their greed and bully tactics. We elected a president who does anything to protect the unions, oh that's right the unions own his bitch ass and he's not going to do a fcuking damn thing about it. It's this Chicago type politics that have brought this great country of mine to its knees and will continue to bring it down further into it's own muck. Why the hell do they need to pay some fat lazy fcuk $100,000 plus a year to put a couple of parts together go out to the parking lot get siht faced and smoke a fattie then punch out. If your not building anything your not going to make any money. These fckuers really piss me off. Urban farms in that hell hole, no fcukin way. I've heard horror stories about what they pumped in the ground there, no way in hell would I ever consider planting crops for human consumption there :yuck: and that guy has some balls walking around the areas of Detroit like that not me man not even in daylight. No wonder the Lions suck they want to do like everyone else and get the fcuk out of there


thank you for listening to my rant :D
 
I was just watching that movie as you posted it.
INCREDIBLE film.
 
So it's all the UAW's fault not the fact that the Big 3 went from completely controlling the automobile market to making up less then half of it. It is also their fault that Detroit's economy relied solely on the automobile industry.

Good point we should disband all Unions and all the work they have ever done including the plumbers Union. I hope one day an untrained worker making 8 dollars an hour does plumbing maybe after a few people die maybe we can agree that SOME unions are needed and other aren't.
 
Joeys Lincoln said:
So it's all the UAW's fault not the fact that the Big 3 went from completely controlling the automobile market to making up less then half of it.
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Correct. Why do you think the Big 3 lost control? The UAW hamstrung the companies. Do you know anything about the UAW, or the APWU, for that matter?

It is also their fault that Detroit's economy relied solely on the automobile industry.
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Not quite. That's the fault of the Democrats who ran the city having no idea how to foster business.
Good point we should disband all Unions and all the work they have ever done including the plumbers Union. I hope one day an untrained worker making 8 dollars an hour does plumbing maybe after a few people die maybe we can agree that SOME unions are needed and other aren't.
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Can you say 'overgeneralization' and 'red herring?' :rolleyes:

Did you even watch the video? I doubt it.

God what a sarcastic whiner. Too bad you don't know how to construct an argument. It would be productive teaching you some of the things you're obviously ignorant about.
 
Joeys Lincoln said:
So it's all the UAW's fault not the fact that the Big 3 went from completely controlling the automobile market to making up less then half of it. It is also their fault that Detroit's economy relied solely on the automobile industry.
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Actually, no.
They were a contributing cause of the hardships and problems you mentioned.

The management of the big three carry much of the blame, but many of their decisions were shaped by the UAW and the economic realities they caused.

And the point of the video isn't that the UAW alone killed the city- Democrat politicians selling Utopia did.

I hope one day an untrained worker making 8 dollars an hour does plumbing maybe after a few people die maybe we can agree that SOME unions are needed and other aren't.
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Unions were the answer to a problem that existed a century ago. When those who provide jobs have a monopoly, and the population IS NOT mobile, then they have the ability to set wages. The unions balanced the scales.

The work environments and conditions at the turn of the last century DO NOT resemble that of today. In fact, the tables have turned 180 degrees. In Union markets, now the Union workers have the MONOPOLY on the labor and can dictate their terms in monopolistic terms. They dictate their terms. The company is left with only two choices- accept the deal because they have no choice or move production somewhere that is more business friendly-
 
Detroit has been 'dying' since the '50s. 1950 census counted 1,849,568 detroiters. In 2000 Detroit’s population was 951,270 and the 2010 is probably going to be under 900,000. While the state has had a somewhat steady population rate, the city has been basically abandoned for the suburbs. IMO this process started with the race riots of the '60s, an auto union whose compromising ability rivals a 6 year-old childs, no versatility in the manufacturing industry, then add to the scene some idiots (and sometimes criminals) who have been elected to run this city, dash in the downfall of the american auto industry, and the economy as a whole and you got yourself a pretty bad recipe. Hopefully someone can take charge in this city and hopefully in this state because while we know Detroit will never return to it's former glory, Michigan cant survive without it.
 
WillSandLS said:
Hopefully someone can take charge in this city and hopefully in this state because while we know Detroit will never return to it's former glory, Michigan cant survive without it.
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It can only happen if you can think of a good reason for manufacturing to move to that city. And if the Democrat machine and unions continue to run that town, there's no way for that to happen.

I think the urban farms were the most interesting thing in that video- though I don't know what you can actually grow in Detroit. But how interesting would it be if the blight were all bulldozed and Detroit became an agricultural city.
 
It was not Detroit's "leadership that caused the fall of the "big 3" because only GM is headquarted in Detroit, Ford is headquarted in Dearborn and Chrysler was Headquarted in Auburn Hills, I think it would be more fair to say Michigan's "leadership" caused the "big 3" to fall, and who was running Michigan until 2003? John Engler, who happens to be a republican. I was born and raised in Detroit, graduated from Cooley high, and proud of it, Detroit will rebound, I have no doubt in my mind.
 
lincolnx2 said:
It was not Detroit's "leadership that caused the fall of the "big 3" because only GM is headquarted in Detroit, Ford is headquarted in Dearborn and Chrysler was Headquarted in Auburn Hills, I think it would be more fair to say Michigan's "leadership" caused the "big 3" to fall, and who was running Michigan until 2003? John Engler, who happens to be a republican. I was born and raised in Detroit, graduated from Cooley high, and proud of it, Detroit will rebound, I have no doubt in my mind.
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And who ran Michigan after he left? Granholm. And Michigan went down the tubes.
 
lincolnx2 said:
I think it would be more fair to say Michigan's "leadership" caused the "big 3" to fall, and who was running Michigan until 2003? John Engler, who happens to be a republican.
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1.) The big 3's demise started after Engler left.
2.) Detroit's auto industry saw record sales while engler was in office due to sales of large suvs, and cheap gas.
3.)What has Granmole done except get some J.A.PAN company in the make a couple car batterys?
 
"We elected a president who does anything to protect the unions, oh that's right the unions own his bitch ass and he's not going to do a fcuking damn thing about it. It's this Chicago type "

WTF did bush do? stfu
 
sbcaprice305 said:
"We elected a president who does anything to protect the unions, oh that's right the unions own his bitch ass and he's not going to do a fcuking damn thing about it. It's this Chicago type "

WTF did bush do? stfu
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Bush wasn't governor of Michigan - the only state that was in a recession while the rest of the country's economy was booming under Bush.
 
topher5150 said:
I doesn't take a PHD to figure out what's going wrong with the Detroit, and Michigan for that matter, how the UAW is BLEEDING the entire state of Michigan dry how all the unions are destroying everything they touch from their greed and bully tactics. We elected a president who does anything to protect the unions, oh that's right the unions own his bitch ass and he's not going to do a fcuking damn thing about it. It's this Chicago type politics that have brought this great country of mine to its knees and will continue to bring it down further into it's own muck. Why the hell do they need to pay some fat lazy fcuk $100,000 plus a year to put a couple of parts together go out to the parking lot get siht faced and smoke a fattie then punch out. If your not building anything your not going to make any money. These fckuers really piss me off. Urban farms in that hell hole, no fcukin way. I've heard horror stories about what they pumped in the ground there, no way in hell would I ever consider planting crops for human consumption there :yuck: and that guy has some balls walking around the areas of Detroit like that not me man not even in daylight. No wonder the Lions suck they want to do like everyone else and get the fcuk out of there


thank you for listening to my rant :D
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WillSandLS said:
1.) The big 3's demise started after Engler left.
2.) Detroit's auto industry saw record sales while engler was in office due to sales of large suvs, and cheap gas.
3.)What has Granmole done except get some J.A.PAN company in the make a couple car batterys?
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So the big 3's fall started after 2003? The big three layoffs started in the late 90's
 
WillSandLS said:
1.) The big 3's demise started after Engler left.
2.) Detroit's auto industry saw record sales while engler was in office due to sales of large suvs, and cheap gas.
3.)What has Granmole done except get some J.A.PAN company in the make a couple car batterys?
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What year was Chrysler sold, I graduated high school in 2002 and they were sold before I graduated, Engler was still in office then.
 
WillSandLS said:
It doesnt matter what any of these presidents did or didnt do, Michigan has a unique situation unlike any other in the nation. O and btw look up the unemployment rate for michigan b4 and after bush. You might learn something.
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think i misunderstood what he said.
 
lincolnx2 said:
So the big 3's fall started after 2003? The big three layoffs started in the late 90's
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I was talking profitability as whole companies. Youre right, they were closing plants and laying off but collapse wasnt even close nor projected untill the SUV's took a nose dive. think how much they invested into producing those gas hogs, then boom-$3.50+ a gallon. They shouldnt have invested everything into huge escalades and navigators. and pay the guy 29.50/hr to screw on bolts.
 
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