Who's to blame???

[Vitas]

No smart guy...it has not been answered...you've quoted, BOLDED and re-highlighted the fact that only 13% said Bush is responsible for the problems in New Orleans, but you have not addressed the wide gap between that number and the number who say his and the Federal government's response was not adequate.

>>>but you have not addressed the wide gap between that number and the number who say his and the Federal government's response was not adequate.<<<

Who said that I had to?

I pointed out:

Blame Game -- 13% said George W. Bush is "most responsible for the problems in New Orleans after the hurricane"; 18% said "federal agencies"; 25% said "state and local officials"; 38% said "no one is to blame"; 6% had no opinion. -- 29% said that "top officials in the federal agencies responsible for handling emergencies should be fired"; 63% said they should not; 8% had no opinion.


I said:

"13%. That would make anyone scrounging for something, anything, anything at all, to find fault with Bush, a left wing commie SDS radical...rest of comment withheld."

You said:

Amazing how well right wing typical Flash and Distract works here.

Of course only 13% said Bush is to "Blame" for the hurricane...the two questions they asked just show that the people answering them weren't idiots. Bush didn't do some rain dance and cause the hurricane...but when asked how well the President responded to the disaster, a much larger percentage responded poorly than positively.

People aren't dumb...they're saying "No one is to blame for a hurricane, a natural occurrence, hitting New Orleans, but the President and the federal agencies didn't do a good job responding"

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You explain what your point is.

 

[fossten]

I'm not upset that it takes a long time to get troops there, I'm upset that it took so long to send them there in the first place.

argue2

Just make sure you direct your irritation at the correct source, namely the governor of LA who told Bush (who called practically begging her to ask for his help) to give her 24 more hours so she could sit in her office and cry for awhile and make no decision...

 

[Vitas]

No smart guy...it has not been answered...you've quoted, BOLDED and re-highlighted the fact that only 13% said Bush is responsible for the problems in New Orleans, but you have not addressed the wide gap between that number and the number who say his and the Federal government's response was not adequate.

>>>but you have not addressed the wide gap between that number and the number who say his and the Federal government's response was not adequate.<<<

Who said that I had to?

I pointed out:

Blame Game -- 13% said George W. Bush is "most responsible for the problems in New Orleans after the hurricane"; 18% said "federal agencies"; 25% said "state and local officials"; 38% said "no one is to blame"; 6% had no opinion. -- 29% said that "top officials in the federal agencies responsible for handling emergencies should be fired"; 63% said they should not; 8% had no opinion.


I said:

"13%. That would make anyone scrounging for something, anything, anything at all, to find fault with Bush, a left wing commie SDS radical...rest of comment withheld."

You said:

Amazing how well right wing typical Flash and Distract works here.

Of course only 13% said Bush is to "Blame" for the hurricane...the two questions they asked just show that the people answering them weren't idiots. Bush didn't do some rain dance and cause the hurricane...but when asked how well the President responded to the disaster, a much larger percentage responded poorly than positively.

People aren't dumb...they're saying "No one is to blame for a hurricane, a natural occurrence, hitting New Orleans, but the President and the federal agencies didn't do a good job responding"

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Please explain what your point is.

 

[fossten]

DOUBLE POST!!!



:dancefool

 

[Vitas]

DOUBLE POST!!!

:dancefool

Beyond the pale.

 

[raVeneyes]

>>>but you have not addressed the wide gap between that number and the number who say his and the Federal government's response was not adequate.<<<

Who said that I had to?

I pointed out:

Blame Game -- 13% said George W. Bush is "most responsible for the problems in New Orleans after the hurricane"; 18% said "federal agencies"; 25% said "state and local officials"; 38% said "no one is to blame"; 6% had no opinion. -- 29% said that "top officials in the federal agencies responsible for handling emergencies should be fired"; 63% said they should not; 8% had no opinion.


I said:

"13%. That would make anyone scrounging for something, anything, anything at all, to find fault with Bush, a left wing commie SDS radical...rest of comment withheld."

You said:

Amazing how well right wing typical Flash and Distract works here.

Of course only 13% said Bush is to "Blame" for the hurricane...the two questions they asked just show that the people answering them weren't idiots. Bush didn't do some rain dance and cause the hurricane...but when asked how well the President responded to the disaster, a much larger percentage responded poorly than positively.

People aren't dumb...they're saying "No one is to blame for a hurricane, a natural occurrence, hitting New Orleans, but the President and the federal agencies didn't do a good job responding"

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Please explain what your point is.

My point is you're editorializing your numbers. First of all, they're old numbers. Second of all the two parts of the question are different and you keep acting like the second part is irrelevant, when in reality it shows exactly what the people polled were saying in reference to the title of this thread. Who is to blame? According to even this survey, that you guys are touting as letting Bush off the hook, the people are saying that Bush didn't respond well to the disaster. 62% rated Bush's response from either so-so to terrible.

 

[Kbob]

Beyond the pale.

There's a hole in the bucket.

 

[Vitas]

My point is you're editorializing your numbers.

!3% agreed with you. Were you shocked? Is that why you responded the way that you did?

When only 13% agree with your opinion, maybe you should re-examine your position.

 

[raVeneyes]

!3% agreed with you. Were you shocked? Is that why you responded the way that you did?

When only 13% agree with your opinion, maybe you should re-examine your position.

Maybe you should stop repeating yourself, and grow up and respond to the question asked of you. How do you account for the wide gap between 13% who hold Bush accountable and the 62% who think he did a bad job?

You can't...and hence you are using the time tested right wing tactic of flash and distract.

You know what...go ahead and keep repeating 13% because it's the only mantra you have left after everyone has posted several more updated polls showing Bush is being held to blame by the majority of the population and Bush himself has agreed with the assertion.

 

[Vitas]

Maybe you should stop repeating yourself, and grow up and respond to the question asked of you. How do you account for the wide gap between 13% who hold Bush accountable and the 62% who think he did a bad job?

You can't...and hence you are using the time tested right wing tactic of flash and distract.

You know what...go ahead and keep repeating 13% because it's the only mantra you have left after everyone has posted several more updated polls showing Bush is being held to blame by the majority of the population and Bush himself has agreed with the assertion.

You tell us. Why, succinctly, was Bush at fault for a response to Katrina.

Hint: Bush taking "accountability" today does not absolve you of an answer.

Where did Bush, as President, err in his response to the Katrina hurricane?

 

[raVeneyes]

You tell us. Why, succinctly, was Bush at fault for a response to Katrina.

Hint: Bush taking "accountability" today does not absolve you of an answer.

Where did Bush, as President, err in his response to the Katrina hurricane?

I've already stated that in this and other threads. I can't really see where repeating myself to someone who doesn't read my posts or actually respond to them, is necessary.

 

[Vitas]

I've already stated that in this and other threads. I can't really see where repeating myself to someone who doesn't read my posts or actually respond to them, is necessary.

I don't read "other's posts." We are having a conversation. If you have something to say to me, say it.

 

[97silverlsc]

You tell us. Why, succinctly, was Bush at fault for a response to Katrina.

Hint: Bush taking "accountability" today does not absolve you of an answer.

Where did Bush, as President, err in his response to the Katrina hurricane?

Read the articles in this thread:http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=12913
and then you'll have the beginnings of some understanding of why Shrub is responsible for the disasterous response. As long as I've been posting in this forum I've been putting up articles showing how Government agencys were being staffed by Shrub appointees, often times by people from industries opposed to the purpose of the agency, who's only qualifications were that they were big contributors or fund raisers for Shrub's campaigns. The consequences of those appointments are now being seen in the piss poor response to Katrina.

 

[MonsterMark]

after everyone has posted several more updated polls showing Bush is being held to blame by the majority of the population

Yep, keep watching the polls. As the truth comes out, the distortions from the left become clear.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Feds Get Slightly Better Marks on Katrina Response​

Thirty-six percent (36%) of Americans say that the federal government has done a good or excellent job responding to Hurricane Katrina. That's up from 28% ten days ago.

While 36% say the federal government has done a good or an excellent job, just 31% say the same about the response of state and local governments.

From Rasmussen.. the only REAL poll.
Wednesday September 14, 2005--Forty-eight percent (48%) of American adults now approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President.

Wednesday September 14, 2005--Forty-eight percent (48%) of American adults now approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President

Fifty percent (50%) disapprove.
Eighty-four percent (84%) of Republicans now give the President their Approval. That positive assessment is shared by 22% of Democrats and 35% of those not affiliated with either major party.

Just 39% of Americans say that the President has done a good or an excellent job of responding to the Hurricane Katrina crisis.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Nothings changed. Bush's numbers are basically close to the election numbers which just goes to show it doesn't matter what he does. People are politicized in this country. Put a Dem in office and we'll hack the crap out of him too.

 

[MonsterMark]

Where did Bush, as President, err in his response to the Katrina hurricane?

He should have stepped on Governor Blanco's dick. Oh that's right, she doesn't have one.

He won't make the same mistake next time. That situation showed that nice guys finish last. And he was certainly too nice to her. Instead of pleading with her, he should have ordered her to act. THAT was his mistake.

 

[MonsterMark]

The consequences of those appointments are now being seen in the piss poor response to Katrina.

ANd I've also posted that the response for Katrina was better than ANY hurricane response under the Clinton administration. In fact, the best response by the Feds EVER.

Next time they won't sit back and ask for permission. They'll just step in. The liberal democrats have once again ceded more control to the Feds.

Privatize FEMA! Give the private sector the same money and we'll never be having this discussion again.

What say you to that?

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

Privatize FEMA! Give the private sector the same money and we'll never be having this discussion again.

What say you to that?

If you funnel tax dollars to a "private sector" entity, is it really "private"?? While I'd agree that government-run organizations are grossly inefficient, I'd also state that BuSh & co.'s move to pull FEMA under the umbrella of HLS was a move in the WRONG direction. Gee, wasn't it the dept of HLS keeping Red Cross away from the Superdome in the early days to keep it from becoming an "attractive nusiance"?? THAT is f'd up.

I think you are all missing this major point. Had the levee not broken, we wouldn't be having this discussion about the "blame game" either. If I was an insurance company covering the losses in NO, I'd be launching an investigation into who was responsible for the engineering and construction of the "upgraded" section of the levee that broke, while the "non-upgraded" sections held. I've asked this question before in another thread and it has gone un-addressed. This situation reeks of budget-pinching and engineering compromise. I can only suspect WHO is at the bottom of that fluster-cluck.

 

[MonsterMark]

I'd also state that BuSh & co.'s move to pull FEMA under the umbrella of HLS was a move in the WRONG direction.

I hope you remember that when it comes time to vote for Hillary as she also voted to encapsulate FEMA into Homeland.

 

[MonsterMark]

Gee, wasn't it the dept of HLS keeping Red Cross away from the Superdome in the early days to keep it from becoming an "attractive nusiance"??

Where in the H did you get that?

Louisiana Homeland Security under the leadership of the LOCAL Governor (Democrat) Blanco did that. State level HLS FUBAR'd [read:Governor]. NOT Federal [read: Bush]. Get your facts straight pal. Must be sipping the koolaid again. Man. See how the lies and distortions from the left taint people's opinions.

If our electorate was more informed, the Dems would have 15% support nationwide.

 

[raVeneyes]

Where in the H did you get that?

Louisiana Homeland Security under the leadership of the LOCAL Governor (Democrat) Blanco did that. State level HLS FUBAR'd [read:Governor]. NOT Federal [read: Bush]. Get your facts straight pal. Must be sipping the koolaid again. Man. See how the lies and distortions from the left taint people's opinions.

If our electorate was more informed, the Dems would have 15% support nationwide.

Actually it was deputized Haliburton employees who were holding the guns and stopping the trucks if you want to get down to low level brass tacks on the matter.

 

[fossten]

Actually it was deputized Haliburton employees who were holding the guns and stopping the trucks if you want to get down to low level brass tacks on the matter.

No, wait, it was those nasty REPUGS! And they were shooting black people! Yeah, that's it! And throwing the elderly and children into the street while they drilled for oil! Yeah, that's the ticket!

 

[raVeneyes]

No, wait, it was those nasty REPUGS! And they were shooting black people! Yeah, that's it! And throwing the elderly and children into the street while they drilled for oil! Yeah, that's the ticket!

Did you forget your meds today? *pat pat* There there....it will be ok. The big bad Liberals won't get you in your nice padded cell...

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

Where in the H did you get that?

Louisiana Homeland Security under the leadership of the LOCAL Governor (Democrat) Blanco did that. State level HLS FUBAR'd [read:Governor]. NOT Federal [read: Bush]. Get your facts straight pal. Must be sipping the koolaid again. Man. See how the lies and distortions from the left taint people's opinions.

If our electorate was more informed, the Dems would have 15% support nationwide.

State level, Fed level, who cares? It all falls under the SAME umbrella of "Homeland Security", which was created by BuSh's cronies (who was it, Wolfowitz??). I'm not cutting the LA Gov. of any blame here, she certainly dropped the ball. But the root of most evil going on in this country today can be traced back to the BuSh administration. And now thanks to raVeneyes we find "The Halliburton Connection"!!?!!?!??
:Bang

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

But the root of most evil going on in this country today can be traced back to the BuSh administration.

OK, "most" may be a little too strong of a term to use here. :N

 

[raVeneyes]

And now thanks to raVeneyes we find "The Halliburton Connection"!!?!!?!??

In a letter I received yesterday from the Fifty Crows foundation, a non profit organization dedicated to supporting Documentary Photography.

Dear Friends,

Over the past few days someone with an excellent command of digital-manipulation and a sharp sense of irony has been emailing "photo commentary" of the Bush response to the Hurricane Katrina Disaster. As you will see below, Bush & Son are pictured happily engaged in leisure activities on the backdrop of a devasted New Orleans. It's a fitting and frustrated response to a very serious situation.

These were the photos previously posted of Bush JR & SR fishing with a backdrop of New Orleans under water.

But these photos speak to a deeper problem: our ability to get at the TRUTH is under siege.
If you happen to be carrying a camera or a microphone in New Orleans right now, it is almost certain a gun will be raised in your direction. There are reports of photographers having guns pointed at their HEADS; their cameras confiscated.
Yes, even the corporate media is feeling the pinch.

WHY are mercenaries patrolling the streets of New Orleans with M-16s?
WHY are they are using a natural disaster as an excuse to implement martial law?
WHY, while doctors, nurses and more than a thousand patients waited in the Charity Hospital for rescue, was the National Guard busy clearing the area of the "enemy"?

The private security firm Blackwater, professional mercenaries, have been contracted by the Department of Homeland Security (paid for with our tax dollars) and deployed to the streets. These are fully-armed, trained killers freshly imported from the streets of Iraq. To bypass the decree that only "law enforcement officials" are allowed to carry weapons, the Louisiana governor is "deputizing" them.

How many more examples of betrayal, lies, strong-arm tactics, and general disregard do we need to experience before we demand more from ourselves and our leaders? These retouched photos offer up sardonic commentary, but how can we answer the call more responsibly?

Documentary photographers are some of the bravest and most earnest people I have ever encountered.
We need to hear their stories, see their pictures. It is their unadulterated work that is especially important at this time.
Citizens all over the world are struggling to find ways to get clear and accurate information about the conditions that affect their lives—let us be part of telling the story with authenticity and truth. We remain steadfast in our continued support of documentary photography and independent media as a responsible action in the recovery of our civil society.


Sincerely,
Lillian Sizemore
Program Director
International Fund for Documentary Photography
lillian@fiftycrows.org