My new custom enclosure.

[BlackLS06]

meh waste of money on those.

if you have that much cash you can get something from digital designs that will blow those to hell and back.

pioneer has never made true comp subs....a real comp sub doesnt have competition series all over them.

http://www.ddaudio.com/CarAudio/Woofers/9500/Specs.aspx

rated for 2K but they are known to suck 4K and more without burning the coil.

 

[1LoudLS]

If you want real power add a second battery like a kinetic.

i would have to say that one should not run two batteries unless the alt has been upgraded first, adding a second battery, only adds one more thing the alt has to supply power to, and if the alt is not supplying enough power for the system to operate properly, then there is no way that it will have enough extra power to keep a second battery charged as well, in the end you will just wear out the alt much faster, i do agree that a good battery is a must for high powered systems but i would just replace the factory one first (when you see comp cars with many batteries, they are built for one thing, supplying enough power to push the sound meter up for a very short amount of time, usually around 30 seconds, not to be driven around for extended periods of time)

I still dont get why people like to run dual subs.

bass is mono...odd numbers are better.

the radio is sterio, but we still all have more than two speakers in our cars, odd or even numbers make no difference to which is better, the plain fact is that more drivers equal more output, yes one good sub sounds better than two sh!tty ones, but two good ones sound even better

I like running single high powered setups versus dual weaker subs. also if you blow, well you only have to replace one sub not two.

If your blowing subs, then there is a problem with your setup.

They didnt make subs as strong back then as they do now.
Now with a single sub you can rub 2000rms to it and blow out windows.

and with two of those subs you could really make a monster (and nobody running 2000w to one speaker because they are chasing the perfect sound, then want to be balls out loud)


the whole point of running one sub is to minimize space, so that you still have a usable trunk.

 

[BlackLS06]

i would have to say that one should not run two batteries unless the alt has been upgraded first, adding a second battery, only adds one more thing the alt has to supply power to, and if the alt is not supplying enough power for the system to operate properly, then there is no way that it will have enough extra power to keep a second battery charged as well, in the end you will just wear out the alt much faster, i do agree that a good battery is a must for high powered systems but i would just replace the factory one first (when you see comp cars with many batteries, they are built for one thing, supplying enough power to push the sound meter up for a very short amount of time, usually around 30 seconds, not to be driven around for extended periods of time)

A second battery is still a better choice than a cap.

I would also just replace the factory battery and do a big 3 upgrade.

the radio is sterio, but we still all have more than two speakers in our cars, odd or even numbers make no difference to which is better, the plain fact is that more drivers equal more output, yes one good sub sounds better than two sh!tty ones, but two good ones sound even better

Because theres front and rear speakers. A single sub mounted in the rear facing the center can push bass all the way to the front.

Like i said a bass note is a mono tone so you dont need more than one unless you want more spl or cone space.

But you can always get a stronger single sub unless you want to run 5k+ watts.

If your blowing subs, then there is a problem with your setup.
and with two of those subs you could really make a monster (and nobody running 2000w to one speaker because they are chasing the perfect sound, then want to be balls out loud)

Not always.

Many reasons why a sub can fail. Even with all the gains set correctly and i prefer buying a sub that can be reconed just in case.

the whole point of running one sub is to minimize space, so that you still have a usable trunk.

Yeah...or to :q:q:q:q with people and have a hard hitting system and when you show them a single 10" sub they look at you all crazy.


Its really all personal preference in the end.

 

[Tru-Blu]

While I'm by no means a professional (I leave that to Loud), I wanted to make sure my audio install was not going to affect the rest of the car's electrical system (lights dimming, strobing, etc). I kind of viewed a cap as a line conditioner - with the ability to help ensure that the audio system was going to get good, clean power to the amp and not suck any power away from other systems that needed it.

I don't know if my particular setup would have impacted other electrical systems in the car or not (my setup is pretty conservative), but I didn't want to take the chance. I know a lot of people have been on both sides of the fence in regard to cap or no-cap, but all I can speak to is my experience - which is that with the cap, I've had no issues whatsoever in the power department.

Tru - more power to ya

 

[1LoudLS]

A second battery is still a better choice than a cap.

maybe short term for the audio system only, i believe that a 2nd battery is more stress than the car needs, you know that the alt is already being stressed, it is not creating enough power and this is effecting the car(dimming lights for example) now it has to try to keep another battery charged in addition.

a cap doesn't hold nearly as much as power as a battery so it doesn't tax the system as hard. the point is for a capacitor is to regulate the power supply for when the amp SOMETIMES needs more power than the car can provide. but you have to make enough power or at least be close

If you ever think that your system need a second battery, it doesn't, it need a bigger or 2nd alternator.

do a big 3 upgrade.

If your serious about a system (1kw or higher) this is a must

 

[RollinLS]

I have to agree with 1LoudLS. His reasoning and explanations are procise and to the point. I have never seen him give "bad" advice.

I have been competing off and on in stereo competitions for over 13 years. Been invited to the USAC World Finals in KC twice. The "best" system I have seen and heard majority of the time are running two subs. I have heard some great systems with just one sub. But at the end of the day. Two beats one everytime.

 

[Onefreshls]

wow that box looks like the one i saw on ebay a while ago. very nice just get rid of the wires lol

 

[seekonkholen1]

Has anybody made a template of the front of (sub side) one of these enclosures?
Maybe I'll throw one together this weekend then figure out a way to scan it and include dimensions for the LS fans

 

[loomis22]

wow that box looks like the one i saw on ebay a while ago. very nice just get rid of the wires lol

Probably is the same one lol. I have it setup differently now. Same box and amp, new subs and new (to me) cap (yeah yeah, don't use caps blah) And all of the wires mostly hidden. I will get some pics posted as soon as we get a sunny day. It's been raining for what seems like forever, flooding everywhere.

 

[loomis22]

Cleaned up a bit. New Kenwood subs (got them new for a steal) my pioneers were finally on their way out so I took the opportunity to get these. Mounted the amp and cap, hid the wires. Not perfect but it works for me.

They are mounted in the box crooked cause the mounting holes are off compared to my old subs and I didn't feel like filling the holes and drilling new ones at 9pm in the dark lol.

Full view

 

[Onefreshls]

still have to work on the wires you want to make a amp deck and drill holes in middle of deck. this way when you put amp on it you dont see wires just on the side.

 

[loomis22]

still have to work on the wires you want to make a amp deck and drill holes in middle of deck. this way when you put amp on it you dont see wires just on the side.

Well it's much better than it was lol. And it was a PITA to get a piece of MDF behind there to mount everything like it is lol. Plus it is out of the way so I can still use my trunk somewhat if I need to.

 

[jahman12]

Still an improvement over what you had. I kind of like the way the subs are in. That's a little different from the "norm". I am in the market for a new enclosure and didn't know what this box would look like. Is the back of the box squared off or angled?

 

[pektel]

Wow, you guys get a lot of room left with that box. Is the back tapered?

 

[loomis22]

Still an improvement over what you had. I kind of like the way the subs are in. That's a little different from the "norm". I am in the market for a new enclosure and didn't know what this box would look like. Is the back of the box squared off or angled?

Angled.

 

[pektel]

I have to agree with 1LoudLS. His reasoning and explanations are procise and to the point. I have never seen him give "bad" advice.

I have been competing off and on in stereo competitions for over 13 years. Been invited to the USAC World Finals in KC twice. The "best" system I have seen and heard majority of the time are running two subs. I have heard some great systems with just one sub. But at the end of the day. Two beats one everytime.

I don't think two beats one EVERY TIME. I would put my 1 12" dc up against quite a few different paired setups. Power, enclosure, wiring/electrical all come into play. Can't just say that 2 is better than 1. At least, when you aren't getting any more specific than just "speaker".

 

[Andrizzle]

Most contest winning sound quality setups use a single driver for substage.


If you are going for sound pressure level - then obviously the more cone area you have, the more umph you will receive.

 

[loomis22]

I don't think two beats one EVERY TIME. I would put my 1 12" dc up against quite a few different paired setups. Power, enclosure, wiring/electrical all come into play. Can't just say that 2 is better than 1. At least, when you aren't getting any more specific than just "speaker".

Yes but 2 of your sub is better than 1.

 

[pektel]

Correct. That wasn't specified in the original statement. I am saying not all 2 sub setups will beat all one sub setups. That's like saying two subs in the wrong enclosure will beat a single sub in a proper enclosure, simply because it's two subs instead of one.

 

[death012004]

im running two kicker l7 12, on a 4000 watt amp and changed everything up to kicker speakers in the cabin. i have a total of 5600 watts, running one battery and a 10 farad battery cap, i have also improved my power output my rebuiling the alternator. the car sounds real good, bass output is set at 4 on the woofer output and the amp is turned up halfway..

 

[fastmark1993]

i just recently somewhat finished the set up in my jimmy. 1 15" memphis mojo m3 running 2000 watts rms. its already cracked my windsheild ill snap a pic here real quick.

 

[pektel]

im running two kicker l7 12, on a 4000 watt amp and changed everything up to kicker speakers in the cabin. i have a total of 5600 watts, running one battery and a 10 farad battery cap, i have also improved my power output my rebuiling the alternator. the car sounds real good, bass output is set at 4 on the woofer output and the amp is turned up halfway..

I don't get the part about "amp turned up halfway". Are you referring to the gain?

 

[1LoudLS]

I don't get the part about "amp turned up halfway". Are you referring to the gain?

no hes talking about the volume adjustment.

 

[BlackLS06]

Both of you are wrong...hes talking about the physical alignment of the amp in regards to the position of the earth.

The amp is turned up towards the sky.

 

[pektel]

:lol: