G-RELL
FULLY DIPPED LS
+1... same as i do... Its actually the Deicer/ rain x combo...
But I'll look into that Pek
My Review on 1st Gen VS 2nd
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+1... same as i do... Its actually the Deicer/ rain x combo...
But I'll look into that Pek
Well i understand its a LS forum and its gonna be all about the LS, but some act as though the LS is the best auto since the model T. Perhaps for most on here the LS is the nicest/newest/fastest car they have ever owned. Its all a matter of opinion, but you gotta admit some hype up their LS a little too much. Its an aged car. An aged car that once had its day, but 2012 has blown by the LS. I still like the looks of the LS, but beyond that it goes down hill. Perhaps the Paris Hilton of cars
Just kidding.I get the city living thing and folding mirrors, but for an auto maker to have that be a feature of their commercial making it a focal point is odd. Now if those commercials were market specific i'd understand. But living in Florida a folding mirror is kinda nonsense and when i had a 2012 Explorer Limited for awhile i actually found the auto-fold mirrors kinda annoying.
joegr
Dedicated LVC Member
A power fold mirror is (or was) a high end feature and this is on a low end car. I can see using it as a marketing feature. I can see pointing out the thing(s) that you don't expect it to have, as opposed to the things you expect it to have. (Few, if any, advertise that their cars have power windows now that power windows are standard on almost all cars.)
Well i understand its a LS forum and its gonna be all about the LS, but some act as though the LS is the best auto since the model T. Perhaps for most on here the LS is the nicest/newest/fastest car they have ever owned. Its all a matter of opinion, but you gotta admit some hype up their LS a little too much. Its an aged car. An aged car that once had its day, but 2012 has blown by the LS. I still like the looks of the LS, but beyond that it goes down hill. Perhaps the Paris Hilton of cars
What it is to some of us is how some squirrel in one of those new cars try to run up on us on the highway only to find out they can only rip on an LS from a stoplight and its way different when we are rolling already. I had a G8 GT try that on me a couple months ago. His problem was he let me hear him. Now he may have had a shot if we were side by side. He had no chance that day.
Also have to remember that most people with these new cars don't have the stones to push the envelope. We do because we're enthusiasts and know more about our cars than they wanna know about their's.
mlara1129
Dedicated LVC Member
this would be a good addition to the LS OWNERS thread
G-RELL
FULLY DIPPED LS
seems you annoyed by alot of things....
joegr
Dedicated LVC Member
That's okay. I'm sometimes annoyed (a lot) by the use of words that don't exist...
G-RELL
FULLY DIPPED LS
ha ha
jmtiseo
The Peanut Gallery
I clay-barred all my windows the last time I did my car then applied the Rain-X. I've noticed streaks before but haven't had a problem recently. Going to checkout the aquapel. Thanks pek!
Edit: I like how this turned from comparison to auto wipers to glass cleaning/sealing products. Quite the progression.
Most of this is all dependent on the model, and a lot of what you dont like is common in most mid-level and higher luxury cars. The LS is an extry level luxury car, not a mustang.
A lot of the guys who get rid of their LS into something newer seem to always come back on here and talk about how great and how much better their car is compared to it.
Yes we get it. Not trying to single you out as im sure the car is badass. But so are many other cars that are newer. The original LS design is at least 13 years old now. Very hard to compare it to something much newer.
Well i understand its a LS forum and its gonna be all about the LS, but some act as though the LS is the best auto since the model T. Perhaps for most on here the LS is the nicest/newest/fastest car they have ever owned. Its all a matter of opinion, but you gotta admit some hype up their LS a little too much. Its an aged car. An aged car that once had its day, but 2012 has blown by the LS. I still like the looks of the LS, but beyond that it goes down hill. Perhaps the Paris Hilton of cars
The LS is aged of course but still a very nice car and the suspension is still very hard to beat. We love the car. Many of us have driven newer and can get something newer but its nice to have a not so common car and the best Lincoln made in my opinion.
I have looked at many cars and would take a 5 series over mine anyday but i think i would still keep it as its my first car i financed on my own.
Stopsign002
Dedicated LVC Member
Has anyone mentioned yet that the softer suspension on a 2005 might be because he has the softer dampeners, and maybe he has the Euros on his 2002?
The European shocks were never sold on a stock USA LS. They were available only as a replacement shock; and not for very long.
Stopsign002
Dedicated LVC Member
Ah, well I know there are two that were sold on the US LS stock. If memory serves there are the normal shocks, sports shocks and euro shocks. Maybe its the difference between the normal and the sports? It doesnt make much sense otherwise, unless something is just straight up broke of course lol
The only reason the euro shocks were available in the US is the LS was destined for Europe. Once the decision was made to not export to Europe (couldn't compete with the S-Type, after all.....) we were able to purchase the unused stock. That stock didn't last long.
05 LS8
Dedicated LVC Member
Well i understand its a LS forum and its gonna be all about the LS, but some act as though the LS is the best auto since the model T. Perhaps for most on here the LS is the nicest/newest/fastest car they have ever owned. Its all a matter of opinion, but you gotta admit some hype up their LS a little too much. Its an aged car. An aged car that once had its day, but 2012 has blown by the LS. I still like the looks of the LS, but beyond that it goes down hill. Perhaps the Paris Hilton of cars
Some of what you say may be true. But, as aged as the LS is, it will outhandle your MKS without a lean. And, that's a fact.
That's 13 year old technology still kicking a55 today, that's why people don't ignore the truth and you see the hype that you see.
lincoln_zero
Dedicated LVC Member
Here Here!!!!!! Well said friend.
If your knowledgeable, you would know the LS suspension TO DATE is ridiculously good, and like you said BlackLs06, HARD TO BEAT.
Engine power isn't everything but its important. The 3.9L surely isn't a Joke. I quite think the LS stacks up INCREDIBLY well to newer $30k Cars today.
A friend of mine got a TL 2012. I looked through it. To be honest, im not impressed at all. So I want to compare these two (LS and TL), because the TL base is 33 thousand dollars of 2012 money and I want to see how one spending 33 K on a TL is an improvement from the Second Gen LSV8 Base.
So my LS compared to my buddy's Acura TL.
Engine power
TL 3.5L V6 280HP @ 254 lb-ft toque
LS 3.9L V8 280HP @ 286 lb-ft toque LS wins
Both have 17 inch rims, Perforated leather seats, lights on the side rear view mirrors.
Now heres what catches my eye. The followings a list of features my 05 LS has that his 2012 Acura TL does not:
motorized pedals, Wiper heaters, (Apparently some models have rain senor from 04), Air conditioned seats, Auto dark mirror and compass, Dual climate control, Passenger 6 way motorized seat, Sunroof, Motorized lumbar, Adjustable center console, Adjustable visor mirror light, secondary pull down visor, Motorized tilt and telescopic steering.
Now that's a Decent amount of luxury to have over a 2012 Model. Not to mention the Acura is FWD and i looked at his suspension, and spoke to several mechanics, who all said the LS is superior in suspension to the TL.
That being said, im not convinced the LS is BADLY outdated, but rather i am convinced its the "new car smell and feel" people get when trading in their LS for a Hyundai that makes them think this way.
On paper, its all in your head. The new car excitement makes anyone feel like their the king of the world.
But take a Nissan Altima 3.5 ($$31 thousand base) and Run a LS on the highway, and watch how bad you'll get smoked.
Or run a LS around some corners in your Base 3.5 Accord and get wrecked coming out of the corner.
Enjoy your lackluster luxury in your Camry whilst the rest of us turn the Seat AC on in that hot summer day.
Outdated against non luxury models? Hells no. Against a 5 series Beamer, obviously.
If you think you can get ALL those features, including a better suspension and that engine power, with AC seats and all those bells and whistles i listed for $30K or less, then your out to lunch.
My two cents on that.
I am really into WWII fighters and have watched countless films on the subject. Some of the things I have learned...
Don't try and turn with a Zero
Don't try and climb with a BF 109 (unless you are in a P-38J or better)
Don't try and dive with a P-47 (unless you are in a rock)
Some cars are specialized. I would race almost anything in the twisties and have a decent chance against most new Asian sports sedans. That was one of the LS's selling points when they were actually trying to sell them.
I look at it this way. My LS is an F-14 in a world of F-15s. I might get beat down low or up high. When its time to make those transitions, I will kick serious butt.
Don't try and turn with a Zero
Don't try and climb with a BF 109 (unless you are in a P-38J or better)
Don't try and dive with a P-47 (unless you are in a rock)
Some cars are specialized. I would race almost anything in the twisties and have a decent chance against most new Asian sports sedans. That was one of the LS's selling points when they were actually trying to sell them.
I look at it this way. My LS is an F-14 in a world of F-15s. I might get beat down low or up high. When its time to make those transitions, I will kick serious butt.
I just did a 250 mile trip in the MKS, it might not be an "LS" but it handles very well and in sport mode it will move. Dont knock it until you've tried it. And the 2013 MKS will exceed the LS in every way imaginable. Sorry
Oh not to mention the mpg far exceeded the LS. Never could make this trip in the LS on one tankful. Not only did i get waaay better mileage i filled up with regular gas saving even more. So ya'll can keep your "twisties" superiority.
mlara1129
Dedicated LVC Member
as it should, being 13 years newer and all.
Why do you keep on? Its a much newer car with lower miles its supposed to.
I bet a brand new LS drove amazingly when it first came out, and way better than most other cars at the time. Still drives very well and most of us don't give a damn about the MPG we didn't buy it to save on fuel costs.
If you want to compare your MKS to a current DEW 98 platform car, the XF is superior to the MKS in every way sorry. Even the ecoboost can't hang with the XFR.
You didn't buy a 5 series bimmer, you bought a rebadged Taurus. You dont need to gloat so damn much its getting old.
05 LS8
Dedicated LVC Member
What you average for mpg? Let me guess - less than 25.
Fun little fact, you can spend less money on XF supercharged, that's 470hp and it will get the same gas mileage as your 2013 MKS.
Where is that leave your car, when it was built to maximize every drop of gas?
It would be an embarrassment to compare the a MKS to a Jaguar, so i won't even say how much better it is in every way.
joegr
Dedicated LVC Member
Why does this have to be a contest? There is no single best car for everyone. Each of us will try to pick the car that is the best compromise for us at the time. For me, the two fully paid off LSes that I have are the right cars for me right now. Later when something happens and I can't get parts or I feel its not worth the money to fix one or both, I will move on to something else (probably Jaguar or BMW).
Until then, I will enjoy the LS, and you will enjoy the MKS until something that is better for you comes along.