Add me to that list. There is a reason I have 3 in the garage.....
Street Racing the LS
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Add me to that list. There is a reason I have 3 in the garage.....
2005HotRodLincoln
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Same here. I'm gonna drive mine till the engine and or tranny take a dump. Then maybe ten years from now, when a 5.0L Coyote has depreciated and become more affordable, maybe a swap. My dad owns a machine shop, so this may become a project of ours when I have another DD and can put this car out of commission for a while.
It looks like the LS has plenty of room for a Coyote. I just don't want to shell out 6,000$+ for one right now.
Any thoughts?
Telco
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Not right now. I was looking at the new Charger but I'm not so sure about it now. Really we'll just have to wait and see how well the wife recovers from her spinal fusion, then make a decision from there. There's a number of interesting looking cars on the way over the next few years. If Lincoln does come out with another RWD V8 sedan it'll be on the short list. A Porsche Cayenne is also a strong possibility. The only thing I can say for certain is whatever I replace the LS with, it'll be a rear wheel drive with either a V8 or a forced induction V6.
2005HotRodLincoln
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Telco, I remember reading an article. Lincoln is supposed to come out with a 2015 mustang based RWD car. The car will also have IRS. The 2015 mustang is another controversial topic but hopefully this car will be RWD and a V8. Keep your eyes and ears open.
05 LS8
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Say no more. Upmarket and ostentatious, just the way i like it.
That would be a very nice choice. Don't know the details on the engines they offer, but i do know some of them make close to 500hp.
Now i am really looking forward to the goodbye thread filled with pictures of a Porsche.
02LSE96LSC91SE84TC
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14.284 was with 4.10s also and I believe it will get a smidge lower with some stickys. 14.368 with stock 3.31s.
Fact is the average LS isn't gonna turn those times. Learning how to launch a LS is a knack and not easy to do to get the very low 2.1 60's needed to run low 14s.
On the street with out trees and r/ts its much more the faster car wins.
You can't take the best LS times and compare it to the average run for another car.
I've ran a G37 at the track. I did beat him to the line, because of my reaction time. He had a faster slip and about 4mph higher trap. Definately a faster car than mine.
Thats what makes racing at an actual track fun. I can often beat a faster car to the line for the win lite, but have a slower time. That said I'm talking a car thats a half second faster at most.
When going from just about any rolling speed the faster car wins period.
lincoln_zero
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I call a spade a spade.
Two people, side by side, both with the pedal to the floor, accelerating to high speeds.
One person with the pedal to the floor, another behind him attempting to keep up and close the gap (proving his cars faster) and or overtake.
Roll starting, at a set of lights, at a track, on a street with honks to signal GO, Or just racing against the Clock.
All Racing.
When I list a Kill, its when someone chooses to floor it with me, attempting to prove their cars faster, just to meet the inevitable disappointed if seeing my tail lights.
lincoln_zero
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^^
This intrigues me
What constitutes a car being FASTER over another?
Is Quarter-mile the only way to determine a faster car? Or is faster not about which vehicle can attain the highest level of speed possible?
What about the LS - She was never geared to run at a track, is it fair to only compare it in QM respects?
The G37 XS: Engine: 3.7-Liter VQ37VHR V6 332-hp / 269 lb-ft.
The Second Gen Lincoln LS produces 286 lb-ft torque. in these small numbers, that 17 lbs of torque makes a difference. Infiniti claims 332 HP? I seriously question those HP numbers.
What was that in fast and Furious (the 4th movie) that was said? oh yeah, anyone can add Horsepower, however "There is no replacement for Displacement" something the LS has over all these 3.5's and 3.7's.
2001 -First Gen LS:
Power: SAE and 188 kW , 252 HP @ 6,100 rpm; 267 ft lb
2004 -BMW M3:
Power: 248 kW , 333 HP SAE @ 7,900 rpm; 262 ft lb
Massive HP difference, and yes in a QM trap the M3 will hit 13's all Day Long.
Yet, on a roll start, Look how close they are....
Lincoln LS vs M3 - YouTube
lincoln_zero
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hahahaaha I love that! thats so going in my sig..
Telco
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It may be the Porsche, it may be a Chevy SS if they're all they are supposed to be.
SO far as the Pinto that beats the fast car I ask the same question of the Pinto driver as I do any other mismatched race where the slow car wins: did the guy in the fast car know you were trying to race?
Yes, the quarter mile is the de facto test of which car is faster simply because it has a set start and stop distance and can be done anywhere. About the only place to do a flying mile run which is the standard top speed run is the Bonneville Salt Flats.
SO far as the Pinto that beats the fast car I ask the same question of the Pinto driver as I do any other mismatched race where the slow car wins: did the guy in the fast car know you were trying to race?
Yes, the quarter mile is the de facto test of which car is faster simply because it has a set start and stop distance and can be done anywhere. About the only place to do a flying mile run which is the standard top speed run is the Bonneville Salt Flats.
mlara1129
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Cool video. I was very proud when i saw it back in the day...unfortunately the LS is on the bottle (lol whats the proper way to say it? Spray? NOS?)
But yea thats the only reason the LS is keeping up.
02LSE96LSC91SE84TC
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1/4mile is not the only way to judge how fast a car is. But it is a solid way to compare one car to another. Top speed is a different thing all together and what good is it on the streets. Even a 1/4mile is longer than a average street race. Highway is a different thing and in highway or any from roll race from a decent speed, traction, r/t and even shifting errors become irrelevant. Its just power pulling its weight. 1 to 1 gear just wot, just like you would dyno a car is a typical highway high speed race, maybe you catch a lower gear for a brief few secs but then its just that 1 to 1 pull. I'm past 3rds redline around 80 and the pull is the best the car has even had and all it will ever do. Thats my point.
I get the "some cars are faster on the highway" thing. I've ran lighter small cars down the track and am very aware of how a car can be quicker in the 1/8th but lose the 1/4. Its not common usually faster is faster period. The trap speed will tell the truth in that situation. I have a slower time but a better trap means that you would win a highway race, not common but usually little car big car match up.
Not to be a dick but don't assume you can run my times.
02LSE96LSC91SE84TC
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Oh yeah and the fast and the furious is retarded. I turned the one movie off when people started flippin seats and adjusting tunes while racing in supposed 10sec cars.
Stopsign002
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Lol, can't remember if this was posted here or not, but this sh*t makes me laugh;
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/05/supercut-fast-and-furious/
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/05/supercut-fast-and-furious/
Stopsign002
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And just for fun: Just The Cussing - Pulp Fiction Supercut - YouTube
02LSE96LSC91SE84TC
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funny sh1t
Aww, no love for The Big Lebowski: F*cking Short Version? I'd post a link, but LvC will embed it, and it's exactly what you'd expect, which is entirely NSFW.
Of course, you could watch this one instead:
The Big Lebowski: The Dude's Version
The Big Lebowski The Dude's Version - YouTube
You really can't tell some people the facts man. As I look at it, I see the potential to get more air in the combustion chambers. I also look at the volume potential from having 32 valves vs. 16. So, the chambers are bigger on the 5.7. Twice the valves means I can get more air in. Increase speed, increase fuel, increase air, increase cooling and increase power.
Some people on here think Power, Gear Ratios, and Traction are the only factors in determining the true performance of a vehicle.
How about this, Power, Gearing, Traction, Weight, Rev Speed, Weight Distribution, Tire Height, Throttle response, Rolling resistance, Aerodynamics, Environment....I could go on and on. Look at all of the data for the LS transmission that was posted.
Telco
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The main advantage to a multivalve head is in upper RPM performance. Check out this shot from Arao Engineering, who developed a head for a Chevy that uses a multivalve system. There is little difference in performance until you hit 4000RPM, then it just keeps climbing where the stock 2 valve heads fall off.
The only thing about Arao, if anyone decides to check into them, there's been word that people who order them and pay in advance don't always get them. For the price they're worth going to their facility to buy them so you can walk in with money and walk out with product. They do make Ford heads as well.
The only thing about Arao, if anyone decides to check into them, there's been word that people who order them and pay in advance don't always get them. For the price they're worth going to their facility to buy them so you can walk in with money and walk out with product. They do make Ford heads as well.
The main advantage to a multivalve head is in upper RPM performance. Check out this shot from Arao Engineering, who developed a head for a Chevy that uses a multivalve system. There is little difference in performance until you hit 4000RPM, then it just keeps climbing where the stock 2 valve heads fall off.
The only thing about Arao, if anyone decides to check into them, there's been word that people who order them and pay in advance don't always get them. For the price they're worth going to their facility to buy them so you can walk in with money and walk out with product. They do make Ford heads as well.
+1
Now the trick is getting more RPM out of the 3.9. Just 7500 would do wonders. I find it curious how the limit is 6500?
Telco
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I would suspect that they set the limit according to what the cam's specs will support as well as what the rotating assembly can handle, leaving some leeway for reliability. The faster you spin an engine up, the better the parts have to be.