Stroker kit. Which one?

[MrWilson]

Kit 1: Add needed cubic inches to your 4.6L mod motor with our custom stroker kits! Kit converts your 4.6L to 5.0L! Contains forged 3.75" crank, forged rods, Custom CP 5cc .020 pistons, file fit moly ringset, HP rod and main bearings. Forged kits can support 700hp. Kits DO NOT come balanced. Block will need to machined to 3.572" bore size. Yields a compression ratio of ~ 12.2:1 on 2V(PI) and ~ 10.5:1 on 4V. 4.6-5.0 stroker kit 5cc .020 overbore $2395

Kit 2: Add needed cubic inches to your 4.6L mod motor with our custom stroker kits! Kit converts your 4.6L to 5.0L! Contains forged 3.75" crank, Oliver billet rods, Custom CP 5cc .020 pistons, file fit moly ringset, HP rod and main bearings. Billet kits can support 1000+hp. Kits DO NOT come balanced. Block will need to machined to 3.572" bore size. Yields a compression ratio of ~ 12.2:1 on 2V(PI) and ~ 10.5:1 on 4V. 4.6L-5.0L Billet Stroker Kit - 5cc .020 $2995

+200 for ballance for each.

500hp will prolly be tops for the project. I know the first has an extra 200 ontop of that...but, rpms will also be the name of the game. i know that the billet kit can rev to 9000...now i dont think im going to get that insane with it, but a solid 7500 would be good.

 

[torquemonkey]

If your gonna go, go large!

3500 stall converter (or better) and run it! 9K RPMS.

 

[MrWilson]

If your gonna go, go large!

3500 stall converter (or better) and run it! 9K RPMS.

yea... lets talk about 4k in valvetrain work for 9krpm!

 

[torquemonkey]

yea... lets talk about 4k in valvetrain work for 9krpm!

Its easy for me to say that, its your bank roll!

 

[MrWilson]

Its easy for me to say that, its your bank roll!

well with a fine donation, your bank roll could be my bank roll, and then i can go LARGE!

 

[rocket5979]

Is that stuff of the VT page by chance? I would say that as long as you got a local hookup to be able to both balance the assy and also machine your block that it should be cool, unless you plan to have VT do it.

Being that you are only planning to push 500horsepower at the crank without revving the piss out of it there will be no need whatsoever to have the Oliver billet rods in the engine. So you would be best served going with option #1.

I would also ask Scott or Jim, whomever ya talk to, to swap out the dished pistons for something flatter so your compression is higher than only 10.5:1. Being that your going for a N/A monster it will serve you better to have a little higher compression for more power.

 

[Dr. Paul]

Ahhh, how cute - 5.0L out of a 4.6.

Look at the liddle iddy biddy stroker. :lol:


I crack myself up.

Paul.

 

[rocket5979]

Ahhh, how cute - 5.0L out of a 4.6.

Look at the liddle iddy biddy stroker. :lol:


I crack myself up.

Paul.

It is funny when you think of the ci of most other strokers. hehe. The modular 5.0's do make some pretty good power though.

I must admit that had I wanted to go the N/A route I would have went with a big bore stroker with Ford GT heads and different cams on it. That is much more money than I cared to spend for only 550 or so horsepower at the flywheel though. I decided to cheat instead.

 

[Dr. Paul]

The new World Windsor 9.5 blocks can produce 461 cubic inches. That's 7.55 liters to you mod motor fellas.

Until they make a modular that has a real bore size, I'll never build one for a performance application. However, my modular gets me to work and back everyday like a champ.

Paul.

 

[rocket5979]

The new World Windsor 9.5 blocks can produce 461 cubic inches. That's 7.55 liters to you mod motor fellas.

Until they make a modular that has a real bore size, I'll never build one for a performance application. However, my modular gets me to work and back everyday like a champ.

Paul.

Its cool. I will be happy with my little old stock bore 4.6 modular pushing well over 600 horsepower to the rear wheels. Puts the power down to the ground and still able to get pretty damn good gas mileage when off the go pedal. I doubt the big blocks can top that for all around performance.

 

[MrWilson]

Is that stuff of the VT page by chance? I would say that as long as you got a local hookup to be able to both balance the assy and also machine your block that it should be cool, unless you plan to have VT do it.

Being that you are only planning to push 500horsepower at the crank without revving the piss out of it there will be no need whatsoever to have the Oliver billet rods in the engine. So you would be best served going with option #1.

I would also ask Scott or Jim, whomever ya talk to, to swap out the dished pistons for something flatter so your compression is higher than only 10.5:1. Being that your going for a N/A monster it will serve you better to have a little higher compression for more power.

im guessing you know some people at VT?

i saw they had flat top pistons, which is what i wanted, but all i saw for the stroker kits was 5cc's. i was hoping for somewhere closer to 11, if not 11 itself. Ill be sure to call em up though.

btw, Kit 1 was my preferance too.

Ahhh, how cute - 5.0L out of a 4.6.

Look at the liddle iddy biddy stroker. :lol:


I crack myself up.

Paul.

im not a fan of the small ci increase either, but...hay, a stroker is a stroker. (let thine self know not fear as long as i have torque as my sword)

are there any 5.0 mark8's out there? nope. not that i know of.

i think puttin 5.0 on the side of my mark would give it a nice touch of attitude.

 

[rocket5979]

im guessing you know some people at VT?

i saw they had flat top pistons, which is what i wanted, but all i saw for the stroker kits was 5cc's. i was hoping for somewhere closer to 11, if not 11 itself. Ill be sure to call em up though.

btw, Kit 1 was my preferance too.


im not a fan of the small ci increase either, but...hay, a stroker is a stroker. (let thine self know not fear as long as i have torque as my sword)

are there any 5.0 mark8's out there? nope. not that i know of.

i think puttin 5.0 on the side of my mark would give it a nice touch of attitude.

Yeah kinda. Plus within the Mustang racing engine world they are #1 by far in many peoples books. They pretty much one of the very VERY few that I would trust to build a race engine for me.


Don't worry about naysayers like Paul. People like him are stuck purely in the pushrod era. I don't know about anyone else, but I would take a supercharged modular engine making more power, having better gas milage, in an engine that weighs less than a N/A big block any day of the week. And don't get me started on driveability of those cammed bigblocks. Now supercharge/turbocharge the big block and obviously there isn't much of a comparison, but most will not be able to do that unless they are a sponsored race team.

 

[Dr. Paul]

Yeah kinda. Plus within the Mustang racing engine world they are #1 by far in many peoples books. They pretty much one of the very VERY few that I would trust to build a race engine for me.

Don't worry about naysayers like Paul. People like him are stuck purely in the pushrod era. I don't know about anyone else, but I would take a supercharged modular engine making more power, having better gas milage, in an engine that weighs less than a N/A big block any day of the week. And don't get me started on driveability of those cammed bigblocks. Now supercharge/turbocharge the big block and obviously there isn't much of a comparison, but most will not be able to do that unless they are a sponsored race team.

Muahahaha. My old 418 combo made 346rwhp/442rwtq, and idled like a stock 5.0. That was with a super wimpy cam, tiny exhaust (stock), and a crappy tune. On a 150 shot it made 487rwhp/615rwtq.

Big block? Who is talking about a big block? You can get 461 cubes from a small block these days. If I was talking about big block strokers, they would be over 600 cubic inches.

So, do you have a dyno video of this mighty 600 hp fuel-efficient modular of yours?


Oh, and small block strokers weigh less than your mighty modular. Easier to work on and cheaper too.

Paul.

 

[MrWilson]

Muahahaha. My old 418 combo made 346rwhp/442rwtq, and idled like a stock 5.0. That was with a super wimpy cam, tiny exhaust (stock), and a crappy tune. On a 150 shot it made 487rwhp/615rwtq.

Big block? Who is talking about a big block? You can get 461 cubes from a small block these days. If I was talking about big block strokers, they would be over 600 cubic inches.

So, do you have a dyno video of this mighty 600 hp fuel-efficient modular of yours?


Oh, and small block strokers weigh less than your mighty modular. Easier to work on and cheaper too.

Paul.

because a SBC weighs less than 86 lbs?

and...uh...your 418...what was the mpg 10 at most? (btw, im looking at round 340-350hp with the stock heads and exhaust for the 5.0 stroker) sometimes the old rule of no replacement for displacement isnt as good as the new one of effiecency or lose to me!

Yeah kinda. Plus within the Mustang racing engine world they are #1 by far in many peoples books. They pretty much one of the very VERY few that I would trust to build a race engine for me.


Don't worry about naysayers like Paul. People like him are stuck purely in the pushrod era. I don't know about anyone else, but I would take a supercharged modular engine making more power, having better gas milage, in an engine that weighs less than a N/A big block any day of the week. And don't get me started on driveability of those cammed bigblocks. Now supercharge/turbocharge the big block and obviously there isn't much of a comparison, but most will not be able to do that unless they are a sponsored race team.

there are certiantly many many naysayers about modular motors, but the problem is, either people dont want to do the bottom end work to make mad power, or are affraid of the OHC setups, or just are biased as to bigger cubes=bigger power. (281 mark motor=285hp...305 SBC=180hp!) Honestly if you look at it, there are NO other 4v v8's on the market that have any kind of aftermarket for them, unless your willing to go custom. as many import fans have found out 4v is 10x better than 2v pushrod. you just have to be willing to work at it.

 

[rocket5979]

Muahahaha. My old 418 combo made 346rwhp/442rwtq, and idled like a stock 5.0. That was with a super wimpy cam, tiny exhaust (stock), and a crappy tune. On a 150 shot it made 487rwhp/615rwtq.

Big block? Who is talking about a big block? You can get 461 cubes from a small block these days. If I was talking about big block strokers, they would be over 600 cubic inches.

So, do you have a dyno video of this mighty 600 hp fuel-efficient modular of yours?


Oh, and small block strokers weigh less than your mighty modular. Easier to work on and cheaper too.

Paul.

Big deal dude. I am making 400rwhp on my stock bottom end supercharged modular 4.6 with stock cams and I idle like stock, and have stock gas mileage when not on the gas, even with 42 lb/hr injectors.

Notice the wording "will" in my previous sentence. I am currently waiting on the billet race engine to be completed so I can install it with a few other things to make that 600+rwhp I am referring to. I can provide you with quite a few videos of other modular 4.6 vehicles making 600+rwhp if you like?

Your cast iron small block probably weighs a little more than my aluminum block, aluminum headed Modular.

I don't mean to continue this pissing match much longer, but your attitude of "Nothing can beat the mighty pushrod stroker!" is retarded at best. Being easier to work on is a relative thing. Though I do give the pushrods the nod when it comes to engine bay space!

I don't mean to continue this pissing match much longer, but your attitude of "Nothing can beat the mighty pushrod stroker!" is retarded at best.

 

[MrWilson]

Big deal dude. I am making 400rwhp on my stock bottom end supercharged modular 4.6 with stock cams and I idle like stock, and have stock gas mileage when not on the gas, even with 42 lb/hr injectors.

Notice the wording "will" in my previous sentence. I am currently waiting on the billet race engine to be completed so I can install it with a few other things to make that 600+rwhp I am referring to. I can provide you with quite a few videos of other modular 4.6 vehicles making 600+rwhp if you like?

Your cast iron small block probably weighs a little more than my aluminum block, aluminum headed Modular.

I don't mean to continue this pissing match much longer, but your attitude of "Nothing can beat the mighty pushrod stroker!" is retarded at best. Being easier to work on is a relative thing. Though I do give the pushrods the nod when it comes to engine bay space!

I don't mean to continue this pissing match much longer, but your attitude of "Nothing can beat the mighty pushrod stroker!" is retarded at best.

question for ya...whats done to your trans?

 

[Dr. Paul]

Big deal dude. I am making 400rwhp on my stock bottom end supercharged modular 4.6 with stock cams and I idle like stock, and have stock gas mileage when not on the gas, even with 42 lb/hr injectors.

Note the word "Supercharged". How much torque?

Oh, and my wimpy motor at 0 psi made over 400 ft. lbs. starting at 2400 rpms.

Notice the wording "will" in my previous sentence. I am currently waiting on the billet race engine to be completed so I can install it with a few other things to make that 600+rwhp I am referring to. I can provide you with quite a few videos of other modular 4.6 vehicles making 600+rwhp if you like?

Ohhhh, so you're one of the many who argue with motors that are in progress, broken, 'gonna get it', and so on.

I can provide you with videos of 1000rwhp pushrod cars - what's your point?

Your cast iron small block probably weighs a little more than my aluminum block, aluminum headed Modular.

Got any evidence of that? Those big heavy cylinder heads of yours weigh 44 pounds EACH, not to mention the huge cam covers, timing cover, complicated intake manifold, four cams, huge timing chain(s) and so on.

I don't mean to continue this pissing match much longer, but your attitude of "Nothing can beat the mighty pushrod stroker!" is retarded at best. Being easier to work on is a relative thing. Though I do give the pushrods the nod when it comes to engine bay space!

Sure, plenty of stuff can beat a pushrod motor - you just have to spend twice as much money!


Paul.

 

[MrWilson]

Note the word "Supercharged". How much torque?

Oh, and my wimpy motor at 0 psi made over 400 ft. lbs. starting at 2400 rpms.



Ohhhh, so you're one of the many who argue with motors that are in progress, broken, 'gonna get it', and so on.

I can provide you with videos of 1000rwhp pushrod cars - what's your point?



Got any evidence of that? Those big heavy cylinder heads of yours weigh 44 pounds EACH, not to mention the huge cam covers, timing cover, complicated intake manifold, four cams, huge timing chain(s) and so on.



Sure, plenty of stuff can beat a pushrod motor - you just have to spend twice as much money!


Paul.

not true. there are benifits and drawbacks to both setups. the mod motors can be more expensive to build but the power/driveability:investment ratio is much better IMO with a mod motor.

anyways...does the mark have a SBC? no...so oh well. problem solved.

 

[Dr. Paul]

because a SBC weighs less than 86 lbs?

Does comparing only the weight of a block seem appropriate to you? Oh, and mine is a SBF, not a SBC.

and...uh...your 418...what was the mpg 10 at most? (btw, im looking at round 340-350hp with the stock heads and exhaust for the 5.0 stroker) sometimes the old rule of no replacement for displacement isnt as good as the new one of effiecency or lose to me!

I laugh at the efficiency remark. While we're talking about small block chevy motors - the LS7 (all 427 cubic inches of inefficient pushrod power) makes 505 horsepower at 0 psi, and gets 26 mpg highway. Can the mighty modular do that?

there are certiantly many many naysayers about modular motors, but the problem is, either people dont want to do the bottom end work to make mad power, or are affraid of the OHC setups, or just are biased as to bigger cubes=bigger power. (281 mark motor=285hp...305 SBC=180hp!) Honestly if you look at it, there are NO other 4v v8's on the market that have any kind of aftermarket for them, unless your willing to go custom. as many import fans have found out 4v is 10x better than 2v pushrod. you just have to be willing to work at it.

You just have to be willing to spend tons of money to make the same power as a pushrod motor.

Paul.

 

[MrWilson]

You just have to be willing to spend tons of money to make the same power as a pushrod motor.

Paul.

kinda like spending...$4450 for the whole car and having 60 more hp than a 5.0 pushrod eh?

I laugh at the efficiency remark. While we're talking about small block chevy motors - the LS7 (all 427 cubic inches of inefficient pushrod power) makes 505 horsepower at 0 psi, and gets 26 mpg highway. Can the mighty modular do that?

if i wanted to spend 70k for the car that it comes in...why not spend 70k and have a 4000hp mod motor!

 

[Dr. Paul]

kinda like spending...$4450 for the whole car and having 60 more hp than a 5.0 pushrod eh?

That's because people like Mustangs better than Lincolns - has nothing to do with the motors in them. Hell, I'll be the first to tell you stock 5.0 motors suck. I've beaten several mustangs from a roll in my 98 LSC.

if i wanted to spend 70k for the car that it comes in...why not spend 70k and have a 4000hp mod motor!

We're not talking about cars - we're talking about motors.

The LS7 crate engine can be had for $13,000 complete. Oh, and it's lighter than a DOHC 4.6 too.

Paul.

 

[torquemonkey]

Thats not fair, comparing the corporate GM, off the shelf, production small block 427. That is an awesome power plant. 'bout time, the aftermarket has been doing, turn-key big cube small blocks for some time now. FOMOCO's answer to superior engineering is a power adder, too bad.

I too am a believer in the axiom "no replacement for displacement".

I believe the effieciency of the MOD motor was the theory of; same parts for all engines. Much like the small block Chevy. Was it close to forty years of the same blocks? Head redesign in '86, so you have two different induction systems to choose from.

I saw that the new MOD engine Head of choice is now a three valve. Supposedly it is more effecient and less complicated at taking a fuel air charge and getting rid of it. Who knows whats next.

 

[Staffamerica74]

Lol im building a 408 stroker for my 66 mustang 5.0 stroker just sounds funny.

 

[MrWilson]

That's because people like Mustangs better than Lincolns - has nothing to do with the motors in them. Hell, I'll be the first to tell you stock 5.0 motors suck. I've beaten several mustangs from a roll in my 98 LSC.



We're not talking about cars - we're talking about motors.

The LS7 crate engine can be had for $13,000 complete. Oh, and it's lighter than a DOHC 4.6 too.

Paul.

then give me 13000 and ill get you a comprable mod motor.

 

[torquemonkey]

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