Stroker kit. Which one?

[MrWilson]

Thank you sir.

np

 

[MrWilson]

God i love how weak mod motors are!

 

[Dr. Paul]

Am I supposed to be impressed? Sad that Ford needs to put a blower on everything to make power.

 

[torquemonkey]

Today from the factory yes, Dang fuel economy. So much for the days of the "Super Cobra Jets."

 

[MrWilson]

Am I supposed to be impressed? Sad that Ford needs to put a blower on everything to make power.

power is power son, as long as its there, thats all i care!

 

[Dr. Paul]

No thanks. I'll take the NA 400 hp motor over the blown one anyday.

 

[MrWilson]

No thanks. I'll take the NA 400 hp motor over the blown one anyday.

your loss.

 

[Doc]

Sort of on the same subject. I just visited VT's site. They list street longblocks with all thats included except horsepower and torque figures. Anybody know about how much as delivered ?

 

[MrWilson]

Sort of on the same subject. I just visited VT's site. They list street longblocks with all thats included except horsepower and torque figures. Anybody know about how much as delivered ?

power wise, its all what you do in terms of piston dish, heads, cam, intake, exhaust, tune...all that good stuff.

price, i dont have the foggiest.

 

[rocket5979]

Am I supposed to be impressed? Sad that Ford needs to put a blower on everything to make power.

This coming from a dude who supports engines that have 100+ cubes on the mod motors. You try to make Ford appear like throwing a supercharger on the mod motor is something like a cop out? Give it a rest dude your lack of intelligence has already been found wanting! All you came here to do was start trouble not merely poke fun. How about you just leave or stop being a jerkoff noob.

I also never said that the mod motors are all superior and rein over all motors. My point was that your N/A bigger ci pushrods aren't on such a high platform as you think they are. I need to poke your head with a damn needle because your redneck ego seems to want to burst out of it!

Bottom line is, stick to what you know best which is bigger ci pushrods, because you don't have the faintest clue as to what built modular motors (both SOHC and DOHC) can really do.

Oh and by the way, that torque figure you asked about on the previous page was 400+ to the rear wheels too, just in case your still wondering.

 

[Dominus]

It's no secret that the mod motor cannot compete with the old pushrod motors in terms of power per dollar unless you use a blower system, but that is only because modular parts are stupid expensive.

Crap for these engines costs as much as a drag racing Hemi up in the heads especially.

 

[rocket5979]

It's no secret that the mod motor cannot compete with the old pushrod motors in terms of power per dollar unless you use a blower system, but that is only because modular parts are stupid expensive.

Crap for these engines costs as much as a drag racing Hemi up in the heads especially.

You are very right about that. The cost is a major PITA. I wish I could have both a modular motored race vehicle and a big ci pushrod motored race vehicle. They both have their weak and strong points, but both get a lot of respect from me for the potential they display.

Maybe one day (years from now) after the performance shop gets off the ground a little more I will be able to put the other dragcar on the shops bill and claim it as a business expense on my taxes!

 

[Dr. Paul]

This coming from a dude who supports engines that have 100+ cubes on the mod motors.

This is bad why?

You try to make Ford appear like throwing a supercharger on the mod motor is something like a cop out?

Precisely, instead of trying to improve cylinder head design (ala the LSx motors) which, in turn, creates both power and fuel economy, Ford has decided to continue beating a dead horse by building OHC motors with such a small bore that the valves remain shrouded, thus impeding power production. Why don't you go to modulardepot or another modular board and see what all the 'experts' think about how unfortunate this problem is... you know, since I don't know what I'm talking about.

Give it a rest dude your lack of intelligence has already been found wanting! All you came here to do was start trouble not merely poke fun. How about you just leave or stop being a jerkoff noob.

You're an idiot. What do you know about me and what I do/don't know? I've been a productive, helpful member of this board, and made one little crack - and you get your panties in a twist. I'll put my knowledge base up against yours any day.

I also never said that the mod motors are all superior and rein over all motors. My point was that your N/A bigger ci pushrods aren't on such a high platform as you think they are.

Modern pushrod V8 motors with bigger cubes continue to make more power, more torque, and better fuel mileage without the use of a supercharger.

Why don't you try to argue that for a while.

I need to poke your head with a damn needle because your redneck ego seems to want to burst out of it!

Redneck? Bwaaaahahahahahahaha.

Yep. That's me. I have a degree in Finance, I'm a Senior Auditor for one of the country's largest financial institutions, I have three cars, one of which is a *gasp* modular, and I've never eaten a TV dinner.

I would say redneck pins me right on the head.

Bottom line is, stick to what you know best which is bigger ci pushrods, because you don't have the faintest clue as to what built modular motors (both SOHC and DOHC) can really do.

How did you come by this conclusion? Do you think that because I choose big inch pushrods, I must not be aware of the magical properties of the mighty modular? Nope. It's because modulars aren't where I want them to be yet, and it's not worth the expense to build one.

Oh and by the way, that torque figure you asked about on the previous page was 400+ to the rear wheels too, just in case your still wondering.

You got dyno graphs and boost pressure?

I'm still not impressed. My car made 442 ft. lbs. at zero psi - and all that torque was dang near instant off-idle. Long stroke makes torque.

Redneck Paul's sh!tbox car-bur-ayted rustang...

Paul.

 

[MrWilson]

Long stroke makes torque

and back to the beganing...thats why i want a stroker kit

btw...adding a blower is just like adding extra cubes.

both are good motors, expensive or not, its what you like...nuf said.

 

[Dr. Paul]

and back to the beganing...thats why i want a stroker kit

5.0 strokers don't have long stroke

btw...adding a blower is just like adding extra cubes.

No it's not. Crank snout stress, inlet temperatures, blower whine, greater stress on the motor altogether, etc...


Paul.

 

[torquemonkey]

No it's not. Crank snout stress, inlet temperatures, blower whine, greater stress on the motor altogether, etc...

Paul.

So that way, the manufacturer can sell more parts.

 

[Dr. Paul]

So that way, the manufacturer can sell more parts.

Perhaps, but it still has been built tough enough (read: costly) to survive the warranty period.

 

[rocket5979]

This is bad why?

It is not. I was just making it a point that while you try to make it sound like cheating with a supercharger, the same argurment could be made about the huge amount of extra cubes the big ci motors have too.

Precisely, instead of trying to improve cylinder head design (ala the LSx motors) which, in turn, creates both power and fuel economy, Ford has decided to continue beating a dead horse by building OHC motors with such a small bore that the valves remain shrouded, thus impeding power production. Why don't you go to modulardepot or another modular board and see what all the 'experts' think about how unfortunate this problem is... you know, since I don't know what I'm talking about.

It doesn't look like they are doing too bad with the supercharger way though. I do agree that the modular motors could be better. My point all along was that your big ci pushrods aren't the end all, be all of motors, even when compared to the lowly mod motor! Period.

You're an idiot. What do you know about me and what I do/don't know? I've been a productive, helpful member of this board, and made one little crack - and you get your panties in a twist. I'll put my knowledge base up against yours any day.

Well if your doubting that a modular motor can put down a respectable number, dare I say a crazy, number then you do seem uneducated enough about them to make an accurate assessment of their potential, let alone compare them to another other engine design.

Modern pushrod V8 motors with bigger cubes continue to make more power, more torque, and better fuel mileage without the use of a supercharger.

Why don't you try to argue that for a while.

No arguement here as long as we are talking N/A to N/A. Read my posts again before you attempt to put words into my mouth.

Redneck? Bwaaaahahahahahahaha.

Yep. That's me. I have a degree in Finance, I'm a Senior Auditor for one of the country's largest financial institutions, I have three cars, one of which is a *gasp* modular, and I've never eaten a TV dinner.

I would say redneck pins me right on the head.

It is funny, no hilarious, that you pull your degree out of your ass as some sort of credential that will make me quiver and scurry back into my cave. Nooooo,I don't think so.

How did you come by this conclusion? Do you think that because I choose big inch pushrods, I must not be aware of the magical properties of the mighty modular? Nope. It's because modulars aren't where I want them to be yet, and it's not worth the expense to build one.

Your choice of engine type is your choice. I cannot and do not want to change that. But before talking a little sh1t about the mod motors and how they aren't worthy of building for big power you should really bother to know what your talking about.

You got dyno graphs and boost pressure?

I'm still not impressed. My car made 442 ft. lbs. at zero psi - and all that torque was dang near instant off-idle. Long stroke makes torque.

Well let me see here, even in detuned (saving the stock tranny till rebuild time) form I am putting over 300 lb/ft to the ground at 1800 rpms, I think that qualifies as instant torque, don't you? In fully tuned form it put down over 380 rwtq at 1900 rpms with a peak of just over 400rwtq. This is with a positive displacement twin screw blower @ only 9 psi boost BTW, hence the killer torque curve.

Redneck Paul's sh!tbox car-bur-ayted rustang...


Paul.

Like I have said before, you have your right to choose and be proud of any engine system you want. You may want to rethink your approach before coming into a modular engine vehicle based forum and talking sh1t about mod motors as you did. I said it before and I will say it again, mod motors have one hell of a lot more potential than most give them credit for, especially from the die hard pushrod community.

 

[rocket5979]

It really is too bad that I am making close to as much power as you on a stock bottom ended 4.6 with a blower only pullied to 9 psi. Golly gee I wonder what my 4.6 will do once it has billet racing rods, forged crank, and forged pistons and I am running 20 psi boost?!? Well, lets just say that my little mod motor, even stock bore, will have about 250+rwhp and 200rwtq more than your purdy little combo ya got there! Chew on that brother.

 

[Dr. Paul]

It is not. I was just making it a point that while you try to make it sound like cheating with a supercharger, the same argurment could be made about the huge amount of extra cubes the big ci motors have too.

Big cubes make big power without pressure. Ford needs to spend more time on cylinder head design and less time slapping blowers on everything. That's my opinion.

It doesn't look like they are doing too bad with the supercharger way though. I do agree that the modular motors could be better. My point all along was that your big ci pushrods aren't the end all, be all of motors, even when compared to the lowly mod motor! Period.

I don't doubt the potential of the '03/'04 Cobra motor, never have. I almost bought one. I do, however, believe that in the current state of affairs, pushrod motors are still superior to Ford's OHC design for a performance application. Drag racers prefer them, road racers prefer them, and this is not by accident.

Well if your doubting that a modular motor can put down a respectable number, dare I say a crazy, number then you do seem uneducated enough about them to make an accurate assessment of their potential, let alone compare them to another other engine design.

A very good friend of mine summed up automotive performance this way:

Once you toss the wallet out the window you can do pretty much anything you want with any engine you want.

No arguement here as long as we are talking N/A to N/A. Read my posts again before you attempt to put words into my mouth.

I thought I didn't know what I was talking about?

It is funny, no hilarious, that you pull your degree out of your ass as some sort of credential that will make me quiver and scurry back into my cave. Nooooo,I don't think so.

It's so funny that you immediately change your tone once you realize I'm not some dip:q:q:q:q who thinks his big block '83 Mustang is the pinnacle of automotive technology.

Your choice of engine type is your choice. I cannot and do not want to change that. But before talking a little sh1t about the mod motors and how they aren't worthy of building for big power you should really bother to know what your talking about.

I know precisely what I'm talking about. I wasn't talking :q:q:q:q, just poking a little fun, until you got your panties in a twist.

Well let me see here, even in detuned (saving the stock tranny till rebuild time) form I am putting over 300 lb/ft to the ground at 1800 rpms, I think that qualifies as instant torque, don't you? In fully tuned form it put down over 380 rwtq at 1900 rpms with a peak of just over 400rwtq. This is with a positive displacement twin screw blower @ only 9 psi boost BTW, hence the killer torque curve.

So what you're saying is it takes you 9 psi to make less torque than I do at zreo psi, is that right?

Like I have said before, you have your right to choose and be proud of any engine system you want. You may want to rethink your approach before coming into a modular engine vehicle based forum and talking sh1t about mod motors as you did. I said it before and I will say it again, mod motors have one hell of a lot more potential than most give them credit for, especially from the die hard pushrod community.

Sure, mod motors have potential. I never said anything to the contrary. I was merely poking a little fun, but your insecurity about your motor choice seems to have let that touch a nerve with you.

Jesus, gimme a break.

Paul.

 

[Dr. Paul]

It really is too bad that I am making close to as much power as you on a stock bottom ended 4.6 with a blower only pullied to 9 psi. Golly gee I wonder what my 4.6 will do once it has billet racing rods, forged crank, and forged pistons and I am running 20 psi boost?!? Well, lets just say that my little mod motor, even stock bore, will have about 250+rwhp and 200rwtq more than your purdy little combo ya got there! Chew on that brother.

Just so you know...

That motor has a 4340 Forged Nitrided Crank, Oliver Billet Rods, and Ross custom 39cc dish pistons for a CR of 8.8:1 - do you think you're the only one who knows about boost pressure? Oh, and my Brodix M2 Track 1 CNC heads probably flow better than your mighty 4V heads too. I don't have the extra $8K to shell out on a turbo kit right now as I have other priorities. All of this is moot anyway, since my car doesn't have a turbo, and your car has a stock bottom end.

It would take me half the pressure to crush your motor, on pump gas.

Paul.

 

[rocket5979]

Big cubes make big power without pressure. Ford needs to spend more time on cylinder head design and less time slapping blowers on everything. That's my opinion.

I agree with that one.




I don't doubt the potential of the '03/'04 Cobra motor, never have. I almost bought one. I do, however, believe that in the current state of affairs, pushrod motors are still superior to Ford's OHC design for a performance application. Drag racers prefer them, road racers prefer them, and this is not by accident.



A very good friend of mine summed up automotive performance this way:

Once you toss the wallet out the window you can do pretty much anything you want with any engine you want.



I thought I didn't know what I was talking about?

I don't believe you do going by what you said earlier.



It's so funny that you immediately change your tone once you realize I'm not some dip:q:q:q:q who thinks his big block '83 Mustang is the pinnacle of automotive technology.

How did I change my tone? Oh, and I DO still think your a dipsh1t who thinks his 83 Mustang is the pinnacle of automotive technology, hence your original reason for posting.



I know precisely what I'm talking about. I wasn't talking :q:q:q:q, just poking a little fun, until you got your panties in a twist.

You were talking sh1t, and you probably thought you were going to get away with it because you assume no one on a Lincoln board would know anything about modding engines for serious power. You were wrong in that assumption.



So what you're saying is it takes you 9 psi to make less torque than I do at zreo psi, is that right?

Correction, it takes me 9 psi to make MORE horsepower and LESS torque than you do, while running a motor close to 150 ci smaller.



Sure, mod motors have potential. I never said anything to the contrary. I was merely poking a little fun, but your insecurity about your motor choice seems to have let that touch a nerve with you.

Jesus, gimme a break.

Paul.

Insecure I am not, but proud I am that we can get so much power and torque out of a relatively tiny (ci) engine. I don't go stepping on other peoples toes about their choices so I suggest you don't step on ours with your snide and inaccurate comments.

 

[rocket5979]

Just so you know...

That motor has a 4340 Forged Nitrided Crank, Oliver Billet Rods, and Ross custom 39cc dish pistons for a CR of 8.8:1 - do you think you're the only one who knows about boost pressure? Oh, and my Brodix M2 Track 1 CNC heads probably flow better than your mighty 4V heads too. I don't have the extra $8K to shell out on a turbo kit right now as I have other priorities. All of this is moot anyway, since my car doesn't have a turbo, and your car has a stock bottom end.

It would take me half the pressure to crush your motor, on pump gas.

Paul.

I would hope you would crush me with your engine with that much more displacement AND a power adder. Oh wait a minute, but then again we weren't talking about the originally were we? Grasp for another straw to try to hold your argument together why don't ya? We were comparing your bigger ci engine in N/A form to my supercharged mod motor. Oops...

Turbo kit????? How about you do your own work and take the time to fab your own turbo kit? All it takes is patience, steady hands, and a hell of a lot less money than what a kit is charged for! Unless that is coming with an engine management system too!

 

[Frogman]

effing kids....

that is all.

 

[98LSC32V]

4V head design is superior period. Mihovitz makes 1800+hp out a 281 cubic inch 4.6 DOHC with fully ported B heads (stock Ford heads that come on all Mark VIII's) and 35+ psi of turbo boost, runs mid 6's at 210-115mph, faster than any LS1/LS2/LS6/LS7 based car. There are no stock cube 346 LS1's in the 6's... Show me a pushrod engine with roughly the same cubes making the same power. The Swedish supercar Koenessig(sp) has a built 283 4.6 DOHC and is one of the fastest supercars in the world achieving over 250mph top speed. If pushrod V8's are so superior why doesn't anyone in the automotive industry use them except Chevy, Dodge, Chrsyler? Any real deal sports car will have a DOHC engine these days.