Stroker kit. Which one?

[Dr. Paul]

I would hope you would crush me with your engine with that much more displacement AND a power adder. Oh wait a minute, but then again we weren't talking about the originally were we? Grasp for another straw to try to hold your argument together why don't ya? We were comparing your bigger ci engine in N/A form to my supercharged mod motor. Oops...

Turbo kit????? How about you do your own work and take the time to fab your own turbo kit? All it takes is patience, steady hands, and a hell of a lot less money than what a kit is charged for! Unless that is coming with an engine management system too!

I won't have to pressurize my motor all to hell to make power, you will.

I won't need to run racegas, you will.

I do my own work, but that doesn't include fabricating. It takes a little more than steady hands and patience to build a turbo kit, since my fabricator's welder cost him in excess of four grand. I want a perfect kit of TIG welded stainless steel, not some crappy MIG mild steel kit. Not to mention finding a compressor that flows 60 lbs of air per minute at 1.4 pressure ratio efficiently means the damn turbo is going to be pretty big, and cost a fair amount of money.

I already have an AEM, so I don't need to worry about engine management.

God you're incredibly stupid.

Paul.

 

[Dr. Paul]

4V head design is superior period. Mihovitz makes 1800+hp out a 281 cubic inch 4.6 DOHC with fully ported B heads (stock Ford heads that come on all Mark VIII's) and 35+ psi of turbo boost, runs mid 6's at 210-115mph, faster than any LS1/LS2/LS6/LS7 based car.

Mihovitz is the only modular pro car I'm aware of. Wonder why?

Saying his car is stock in any respect is an absolute joke.

There are no stock cube 346 LS1's in the 6's... Show me a pushrod engine with roughly the same cubes making the same power.

I know nothing of LSx racecars - I don't follow Chevy racing. Only Ford.

The Swedish supercar Koenessig(sp) has a built 283 4.6 DOHC and is one of the fastest supercars in the world achieving over 250mph top speed.

It is my understanding that the estimated top speed of this car is 245 mph.

If pushrod V8's are so superior why doesn't anyone in the automotive industry use them except Chevy, Dodge, Chrsyler? Any real deal sports car will have a DOHC engine these days.

I'll just answer that with...

Paul.

 

[rmac694203]

From Car and Driver about the S7

It’s a pushrod engine with two valves per cylinder. That may sound a bit low-tech for a $400,000 car, but we’re convinced of the packaging and low-end-power benefits that such engine architecture allows. Tally says the pushrod 16-valve layout is compact and permits mounting the engine low in the chassis. That also lowered the car’s center of gravity and made room for a low-end torque-boosting tower of nine-inch-long intake runners.

“What kind of American supercar would it be if it didn’t have a pushrod V-8?” Saleen asks rhetorically. It has more than enough power: 550 horses at 5900 rpm and 525 pound-feet of torque at 4000 rpm. “The engine makes an ungodly amount of low-end torque,” Tally notes. “At 3000 rpm it makes 500 pound-feet.”

I would happily take a pushrod or modular V8. Big engines are a beautiful thing.

 

[Dr. Paul]

...and the TT S7 makes even more power.

 

[rocket5979]

I won't have to pressurize my motor all to hell to make power, you will.

I won't need to run racegas, you will.


Either way I will still be making more power than what you got now. Wait a minute! I am making more power than you NOW!!! :lol:

I do my own work, but that doesn't include fabricating. It takes a little more than steady hands and patience to build a turbo kit, since my fabricator's welder cost him in excess of four grand. I want a perfect kit of TIG welded stainless steel, not some crappy MIG mild steel kit. Not to mention finding a compressor that flows 60 lbs of air per minute at 1.4 pressure ratio efficiently means the damn turbo is going to be pretty big, and cost a fair amount of money.

The TIG welder isn't hard to get your hands on which is why it is not even counted. However, people rushing things, not planning properly and overall making birdsh1t welds are some more important things to concern one self with.

I already have an AEM, so I don't need to worry about engine management.

God you're incredibly stupid.

Ummmm WTF was that for? Do you really think I took a really close look at your modlist or setup? No. I just asked a question you dolt! If you want to be a dumbass and pay $8k+ for a turbo kit that you could fab for one heck of a lot less then be my guest.

Paul.

Paul, your a total noob idiot, just leave or something you troll. Now that you have proven yourself as such a jackass I really don't think anyone even wants you here. Talk tech without being a punk and maybe you would have gotten somewhere with your point, instead of just talking sh1t like you did since your first post in here. The problem is not about the message content, it is about your approach, which is why you got so much backlash here. I would think a person in a line of work such as yours would know a thing or two about using tact, and practicing professional courtesy. I guess not. Did you say Auditor or Janitor???

 

[Dr. Paul]

You're the only person on here who has had a problem with me. Strange. Everyone else has been reallly cool but you.

Nothing I have said has been pulled out of my a$$, you just seem to be unable to handle it.

You can say you "will" do this, or you "will" do that. Proof is in the pudding. Let me know when you have dyno numbers and track times. I've not dynoed/raced the new 422 combo yet either...

TIG welders aren't hard to get a hold of? I guess shelling out thousands of dollars doesn't count in the world of the mighty modular. Why don't you just buy your own CNC and cut your own billet rods?

Keep telling me how badass your motor is going to be and how much power it is going to make someday...

 

[rocket5979]

You're the only person on here who has had a problem with me. Strange. Everyone else has been reallly cool but you.

Nothing I have said has been pulled out of my a$$, you just seem to be unable to handle it.

Apparently you have a comprehension/attention problem. Are you sure you don't have ADHD?

Keep telling me how badass your motor is going to be and how much power it is going to make someday...

Ummmmm it already makes more power than yours NOW and is about to make gobs more, there isn't much of a "someday" in there. How about I put it to ya this way? Your motor will get its ass kicked by mine now, and it will get its ass kicked even worse in July too! Is that better phraseology?

 

[Dr. Paul]

Sweet, my motor makes less power, more torque, at zero psi.

That's great that your car 'will' do this or 'will' do that.

Do you feel like a man now? Do you base your worth on this thing?

 

[rocket5979]

Sweet, my motor makes less power, more torque, at zero psi.

That's great that your car 'will' do this or 'will' do that.

Do you feel like a man now? Do you base your worth on this thing?

Keep going dude, I can keep this entertainment up all night long. It is hilarious to read your weak rebuttals.

 

[Dr. Paul]

Why don't you keep taking about what your car will do someday once you get your "billet racing rods" and other sooper fast racecar parts.

Paul.

 

[Moes8]

wow!!,the most heated thread i have read in awhile on here,

my question is this...

why do people put down turbo/supercharging and call it a bandaid or cheat device?

i follow formula one racing very thoroughly the current season has F1 engines at 2.4 liters in displacement making 800+ horsepower,i would have to believe there is no other engine format in the world that can compare to that kind of normally aspirated power,i beleive efficiency(as far as cubes to hp)is unchallenged.

But!!!
if you told the F1 that starting next race they could add turbos/superchargers to their engines,i guarantee EVERY single team would do it.
the only reason Chevy's Z06 doesnt have a supercharger bolted on to it at this very moment is cost,they have spent good money crating a good small block,but were never willing to spend the real money to develope an engine for the modern times,

Like someone else posted earlier,only gm and Kriesler products still use pushrod engines,all other performance cars (minus tuner cars like saleen,etc)use modern ohc engines.

i love the feel of a modern ohc engine,i have felt the great power in some pushrods but still prefer the ohc design.

if the time resources were spent on the mod motors like chevy has spent on the pushrods,we would have some great engines from ford,

i like to remind myself that in 1993 when ford introduced the 4valve v8 the sbc was making a whole 20 more horses with 350 cu inches.But also in 1993 Chevy had a mercury marines 32 valve 350 cu in. ohc engine making 405 hp,more than todays 6.1 liter vette engine.

its just my tastes here ,but i like valves over rods,




nobody can win this argument because no matter what engine is used as an example ,someone can always find a comparable engine of the other type.



it really come down to how do you want to make your power ,old school or modern.


have fun guys.

 

[MrWilson]

Yea this thread has definatly outlived its usefulness...thanks to two children that cant play along.

It would have been nice to just get the oppinions i was looking for, instead of two oppinions, and 3 pages of flame.

lock the thread please?

 

[torquemonkey]

Taste Great! . . . Less Filling!

:F

 

[Dr. Paul]

Yea this thread has definatly outlived its usefulness...thanks to two children that cant play along.

It would have been nice to just get the oppinions i was looking for, instead of two oppinions, and 3 pages of flame.

lock the thread please?

If you want my opinion, I would get the first kit, provided you never intend to add boost to the car. Increasing horsepower past the 500 hp range starts to get exponentially more expensive and unnecessary. A true 450-500 to-the-wheels car is a blast to drive, especially if it has equivalent torque. It has been my experience that about 550 to the wheels is about the outside-limit of daily driveability. Some may disagree and say that more is always better, but at that point all you're doing is incinerating tires at virtually any speed. Heck, at 500 to the wheels you can pretty much incinerate tires whenever you want anyway. The cost for the 'supporting cast' becomes pretty expensive when pushed into the mighty 600+ range. You modular guys are lucky because your blocks don't suck, so at least you have that going for you.

IMHO, were I to do it - I would do neither. Buy a decent bottom end (forged crank, rods, good pistons) - but lower the compression ratio down and put a blower on it. Making power, or more specifically adding power, is easier with boost. You just change pulleys or tighten down the wastegate. This way, when money becomes available for the aforemention 'supporting cast' down the road, you can do just that.

Paul.

 

[02LSE96LSC91SE84TC]

Wow, alot of reading. Well, I've seen the Kenne Belled Explorer in person, and know for fact it drove to the track, better than an hour I believe. I've heard it run, seen it race, and don't doubt for a second the ability of the owner to get it to level he plans. Videos were even posted of it on here so I'm not the only one, I was just lucky enough to see it in person. Now I may of missed something but the only video I've seen of Dr. Pauls Mustang it was idling in a garage roughly and he was talking about it having issues. Like I said I may have missed something.

 

[94m5]

Yea....this is what I get for leaving Andy's threads alone. This bickering and name calling is gonna stop NOW.


All the thread was for was to help Mr. Wilson choose a rotating assy, NOT a long, drawn out E-battle over what type of engine is "best"


Everyone has an opinion as far as what their favorite engine is, and I will say nothing about mine except, you can take that old, pushrod boat anchor and shove it up your ass.

This thread is done.


Mike