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StinkinLinkinLS01 said:I'm sorry..but there aren't too many mods to chose from so that does not say much about the tune itself. Plus not too many people are hooking laptops up to their XCal even when they do get it.
You are right, there aren't many other mods to choose from and that is one reason why the Xcal2 is on top. If there were gears readily available for the LS then those would probably be at the top depending on what they were priced at. Just because you dont use the Xcal2 to its potential doesnt mean that many many others do.
Personally, I think the exhaust was the best. It looks good, sounds great, and gave me a definite gain in HP, especially at wot at top end speed...
That is your personal opinion and you are more than entitled from it. The facts still remain that you are gaining more horsepower with a tune than with the exhaust.
I HIGHLY doubt Torrie's tunes gave me more than 30hp. :shifty:
I said 20+ not 30+ hp gain. Re-read my post a little closer. And yes, 20+ hp is not really a problem to get with a good tune on these vehicles.
Cmon now...its a box that holds tunes. Just like the XCal1...just like Torrie and Quik have so often stated. Those end user adjustments barely do anything...you need the laptop AND the software AND most importantly the know how to take it to the next level. A motorhead may be down for that, but how many motor heads go out and by a Lincoln LS?
The end user adjustments can do quite a lot for the normal user actually. It all depends on what peramteres are allowed to be modified, which is decided by the tuner in the Xcal2. If you have the Xcal2 SF then it is preconfigured to allow full end-user type of adjustability already on it. With the .LL3 files you can change settings without taking the tune off the Xcal2. Obviously this will not allow for huge modifications but it will allow for most end users to tweak and peak their settings to the way they want them.
How many LS owners "truly understand all the capabilites of the SCT tuning software"...how many even have access to this stuff and how many would really care if they did?
Exactly my point. Which helps me make this one: Dont judge something you dont really understand.
Not too many my friend...
When using the XCal2 to it's maximum potential with all the bells and whistles and the tune pkg with your little laptop and all that techy stuff than yea...it may be worth it for $400. But to the average LS buyer? I mean cmon now...this is a Lincoln LS...
It matters not what YOU decide to use it for, it matters what it was designed and built for. What you say is like a person buying a Corvette and then wanting a refund because they dont intend to drive fast with it but just look at it. Sorry but you buy the piece of equipment and you buy the whole package not just one facet of it.
I just can't wait to get this thing to the dyno. Either I'll be eating my own words or a few people will become a little bit quieter on this topic...
I didn't say you arent maybe down on power. My point is that if you are it surely is not due to the piece of equipment and more likely due to whomever made the tune in the first place.
With all these people taking their cars to the dynos and buying the XCal you would think someone would provide some solid numbers. No one has provided anything..including the people who specialize in these tunes.:shifty:
I think the latter is more likely...there is a reason for that lack of valuable information.
There is a reason. If a lot of specific tuning info got out then tuner's business could suffer a little bit. It is intellectual property. But if you want to pay the price then that can also become your intellectual property as well.
On a parting note....I respect the tuners of the automotive world, especially SCT. For christ sakes I have their emblem on the side of my car!
I know some tuners can get an 80% HP increase for about $800.
And rocket...if I do the math right even if I do get say 30hp out of the max tune I'm still only getting a 12% increase for $400!!!! WOW!!!!
Once again, I didnt say 30 hp. Try comprehending my posts next time you read them.
Let break your figures down a little further shall we? Xcal2 that gains 20hp (not 30) costs $375 in one hand and Supercharger that gains 115 hp costing $5,000+ in the other. The Xcal2 gains cost $18.75 per horsepower gained. The supercharger gains cost $43.50 per horsepower gained. Does that explain it better???
FACE IT! if you want a car that goes fast (13's) without dumping like $10,000 into it buy something else. The LS is meant for 20" rims and cruising...I wish I could make it go faster...but I'm not doing nos and I can't afford a sc. I'd imagine the 1stgenLSV8 peaks at no more than 285HP with all poss mods other than nos or a supercharger. 2ndgen maybe 300hp.
Actually my car made 255 rwhp on the dyno which using a 17% drivetrain loss puts it at 307 hp at the flywheel.
This is why I'm just gonna trade for a GTP or a supercharged buick or a camaro.
Originally the beauty and prestige of the LS brought me to it...but now my hunger for speed is pulling me away
Plus I'm start to feel a little wear and tear on my 88,XXX mile engine....better bail out while I can...
And lastly rocket...nothing personal against you...just car talk...you know
It is cool Stinkin but I do think you are mistaken in more than a few things you said. It is cool to have your opinion and preference and I totally respect that. If your car is down on power then the tuner is to blame, not the tune itself (because the tuner made it) and especially not the Xcal2. I would not be sitting here wasting my time typing all of this if I didn't know that the Xcal was worth it.
