Custom Lincoln LS Turbo

Shiloh said:
We are using 30 lb injectors for two reasons:
They will adequately supply the anticipated fuel demand
Based on the system designers' extensive experience; that is what he wants.

When investing multiple thousands of dollars; I would not nor would I advocate the purchase of used injectors, a critical component, from an unknown source, subjected unkown abuse such as running the tank dry, unkown hours/mileage of use just to save roughly 100 dollars. The 30's can be purchased in a set 8 for 220 dollars; leaving two spares in the event of failure down the road. As the axiom goes "penny wise dollar foolish".
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Shiloh if you know what you are looking for then buying used parts is not bad at all. Certainly a person such as yourself that pays others to wrench on your car cannot be sitting there making any real recommendations on what components people should or should not use when modding their car. After all, you would need firsthand experience to make that determination. You are more than welcome to continue thinking you have to always buy new parts but eventually when you gain more experience with this stuff you will realize that you can be quite successful buying quality used parts. I have been in this ballgame for many years building vehicles for myself, friends, and customers so I may just know a thing or two here.

Add on about $40-$80 for those EV1(Minitimer) - EV6(USCAR) harness adapters as well for the price difference.
 
ILLS, Let me clue you in; I do all the work on not just the LS but also my daily driver. To date the only things done to the LS which I have not done are alignments and transmission flush. You have a habit of misinterpreting what I have written; for reasons only you know. No recommendation was given; an opinion , mine, was stated. I am not so presumptuous as to give advice unless asked. I have no desire to get in a pissing contest with you as I have seen you have had with others. I am going leave this as I was taught; if one has nothing positive to say, say nothing. Have a good day.
 
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So when are we gonna see some numbers? Shiloh you talk a good game so far and this post goes back quite a bit. I think you are just pulling everyones chain right now. Do you have any pics to post so far? There is no proof that this project actually exist, If this is just a sham there are gonna be a lot of pissed of LS guys on here.
 
Lincoln ave said:
Do you have any pics to post so far?
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I will post pictures of the completed compressor unit and mounting system Saturday, 10/4. This is the final version; when the complete kit arrived, early summer, both Geoff and I thought we were all set. The compressor mounted and fit beautifully; this was the third and final. I had previously received two prototypes which I would attempt to mount then trim, drill, mount, ect and send back with drawings and picts.

Unfortunately, the compressor unit was the only thing that went well. Numerous issues arose regarding the power sterring pump which has to be relocated.

If you check back about a month you will find my post bringing the thread up to speed.

For independent verification call Geoff Knight at ATS Turbos, 786-877-4880.
 
Lincoln ave said:
So when are we gonna see some numbers? Shiloh you talk a good game so far and this post goes back quite a bit. I think you are just pulling everyones chain right now. Do you have any pics to post so far? There is no proof that this project actually exist, If this is just a sham there are gonna be a lot of pissed of LS guys on here.
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where do you get off with a post like this?
 
Hey Shiloh, can't wait to see this set up. I have an idea for the pwr str res. For the 03-05 models use the res from the hyd fan unit of the 00-02, this will let you relocate it to the pass side. I don't know what you are goning to use for the 00-02 models.
 
BDT Compressor

Here is the compressor unit attached to my spare block which is soon to go to the machine shop. The position shown is not totally accurate but close enough for illustration purposes. The unit bolts to the front plate in 3 locations. When the unit was installed on Wisper; the fit was perfect and the drive pulley lined up spot on with the belt. Lincoln; as far as I am concerned check your attitude at the keyboard.

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No attitude here so watch your mouth. In my buisness everything needs to be done yesterday not tomorrow. I don't know what kinda time frame you have set up for yourself, but it just seems like quite a bit longer than expected. Especially when one of the local grease monkeys over here installed the sst turbos in his Ls, oh and it took him about 2 weeks to figure everything out. I don't know him well enough to pry into his buisness, but i was there when he ordered the turbos from my brother and he brought the car back 2 weeks later with that little jet noise coming from the hood.
 
Lincoln ave - what have you done to your LS?

It sounds like you saw someone do something to their LS maybe - but surely that can't be your only experience on modifing LSes for you to post like an internet kid e-Thug.
 
Considering he's doing all the R&D for a front mount application, and not just retrofitting a one-off turbo application, it is understandable that it would take longer to test fit, make changes, etc. to make everything available in a commercially produced kit.

If it's taking too long for you, just stop looking at the progress posts. I'm sure someone can pm you when it's done. Since by that time, everything would have been done "yesterday".
 
Quik LS said:
Lincoln ave - what have you done to your LS?

It sounds like you saw someone do something to their LS maybe - but surely that can't be your only experience on modifing LSes for you to post like an internet kid e-Thug.
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I haven't done much to my Ls, considering its my daily driver and i put about 1000 miles a week on it. If you have read some of my past post you would know that I had a 2004 convertible cobra. If I wanna go fast I wouldn't do it in my Ls. Due to the fact my Cobra was totalled by my ex, I am now looking for something new. I just haven't decided yet. I might do what, i think his name is hylife on here and go with an AMG model Benz. And an internet thug, what the hell is that? The only thugs i know are in Brooklyn. And pics of the Cobra will be on here soon.
 
well - that explains it.

You have no idea what it takes to actually work on the LS. Unlike the Mustang, you cannot order on-line and bolt things on in a weekend. Almost everything is one-off, custom built, and 'massaged' into place.

Your Cobra is on the simpler side of modification - strong aftermarket, common engine, loads of room under the hood and well know limits of what the engine can handle - none of which the LS has.

You really should either start turning wrenches on a LS and post up your project for us to critique or cheer on those trying.
 
I never said i was working on the Ls, But I did say that a guy came in and ordered twin turbos and had them in his Ls 2 weeks later. It's a black 2001 v8. I am waiting for him to return to the shop so I can ask him certain questions. But the one thing he did tell me was that he didn't start any of the project and was awaiting the turbos before he began. But I did see the car with them installed and heard the car and saw the car drive with them. And it was 2 weeks exaclty that he came back. And I do know what it takes to work on cars, But I have no intrest or want to do anything to my v6 commuter car. Besides maybe exhasut and an intake. That would be it for performance mods. I loved driving on the road in my Cobra knowing that most cars out there couldn't run with me. Even that quickls you have or had over there.
 
LEOV5 said:
For the 03-05 models use the res from the hyd fan unit of the 00-02, this will let you relocate it to the pass side.
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What you have suggested is essentially what we are doing. Gen 2 owners will use the existing pump reservoir only moving it to the right fender well. They will have to buy some new hose due to the additional distance.

Gen 1 (00-02) will have a little more work. They will remove the hydraulic pump and fan assembly and install/wire a new electric fan assembly; new or used, Gen 2 OEM or aftermarket, totally up to the owner. Fan speed can be adjusted via the upload from the SCT. Torrie wrote a performance file for Wisper; included was an increase in fan speed and changed activation point.

Here is a side view of the BDT

I watch carefully what comes from my mouth while others apparrently allow theirs to run with little care as to content or intonation.

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Lincoln ave said:
I have no intrest or want to do anything to my v6 commuter car.
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So... why are you talking sh*t in this thread then?

You have not moddified your LS
You do not know what it takes to modify an LS
You have done anything really custom

And you have no interest in this thread's outcome.


We need more people trying things, more support and more pioneers.
 
Is that the actual pulley that will be used in the final setup? Do you have the specs for that pulley? I was just curious of the PD of that pulley and belt type.
 
Shiloh said:
ILLS, Let me clue you in; I do all the work on not just the LS but also my daily driver. To date the only things done to the LS which I have not done are alignments and transmission flush. You have a habit of misinterpreting what I have written; for reasons only you know. No recommendation was given; an opinion , mine, was stated. I am not so presumptuous as to give advice unless asked. I have no desire to get in a pissing contest with you as I have seen you have had with others. I am going leave this as I was taught; if one has nothing positive to say, say nothing. Have a good day.
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Shiloh, you said it yourself that the decision was based upon the system designers experience. Unless you prefer to talk in the third person that infers that you aren't making all the decisions here. That is fine and you should not be bothered by that. However, you made a comment about something you may not have much personal experience with based upon my observations of the wording in your posts. That is the reason for my reply. Not to flame you, or hurt your efeelings. It was simply to call it like I saw it. I never meant any harm with my previous posts, just posting from a technical standpoint.
 
ILLS said:
However, you made a comment about something you may not have much personal experience
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You are quite correct; my past experience with any type of forced induction, prior to this project, is nil. However, my hands on with cars/engines goes back 30 plus years having built my first engine, with help, while the car wash boy/gopher at a Chevy Dealership. Olds 350, bored & stroked, milled heads, crane cam, edelbrock intake, holly 750 dual feed/double pumper, Hooker Headers with a B & M shift kit. With slicks she ran high 12's on a good day.

Dealing with the high level of electronic control with todays engines has been quite a learning experience also; slowly but surely I am getting there
 
Pulleys

2001LSV65SPD said:
Is that the actual pulley that will be used in the final setup? Do you have the specs for that pulley? I was just curious of the PD of that pulley and belt type.
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There are three pulleys; the double pulley which the accessory belt drives and the single pulley behind the compressor. Which one were you referring too? The belt is a standard belt made by many; I'll post the brand/# tommorrow.

We will not know if this is the final pulley setup until we are up and running and can accurately determine the resulting boost. We do not want to exceed 6lbs.
 
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