My $400 LS Registry
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Yeah degas bottle will be replaced. That has some yellowing, while all the other stuff looks like its been replaced. (Im not avoiding the real fix, i'm just being pointlessly optimistic 
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I will be ordering the cats first, that way I can at least drive the thing and rev it up in my driveway without worrying about pissing neighbors off in a half-mile radius.
And nothing like going outside for a mere 7 minutes to swap out a taillight and coming in completely drenched in sweat. Gotta love these 100 degree, almost 100% humidity days. NOT.
The corrosion on the trunk lid irritates me. A lot.
)I will be ordering the cats first, that way I can at least drive the thing and rev it up in my driveway without worrying about pissing neighbors off in a half-mile radius.
And nothing like going outside for a mere 7 minutes to swap out a taillight and coming in completely drenched in sweat. Gotta love these 100 degree, almost 100% humidity days. NOT.
The corrosion on the trunk lid irritates me. A lot.
So today its even hotter, but I wanted to get it around the block and "drive" it. Drove it about 3 miles worth in my neighborhood first with AC off (so the fan wouldn't be on by default), and then once it stayed in the middle, I turned the AC on. (I was dying lol) No changes. Pulled back in the garage and let it idle for another 5-10 minutes, still no changes. Gauge didn't fluctuate or anything.
I was sick of seeing "LOW FUEL LEVEL" and "LOW WASHER FLUID" every time I started it, so I grabbed my only gas can I use for my mower, emptied the 87 into my Explorer, then ran up to the gas station and got about 3 gallons of Premium, and a jug of washer fluid. All is well now. Fresh fuel in it, plenty of washer fluid, no more warning messages.
Also permanently fixed the message center buttons. Another common thing ive seen on almost any LS in person, those buttons' mounts have snapped and the buttons are sitting way back under the vents, as were mine. Well, PO had a tiny dab of some glue, but that didn't do jack. I tacked them in place with hot glue to hold it, and then used some JB-Weld.
Is there any way to adjust the auto-headlamp delay? I think mine said it was on 20 seconds, anyway to bump that up? I remember the 1st gens you just turned the knob farther IIRC to extend the delay, but mine does no such thing. I miss that little feature, my Explorer doesn't have that. I like the extra light when i'm getting out, grabbing my mail and going inside every night after work.
Definitely gonna need pads and rotors. It stops just fine, but these rotors are so rusted, they don't seem to be clearing up while i'm driving it. Would be awesome if the Power Stop(?) drilled and slotted kit I bought for my Explorer would fit. Doubt it, same bolt pattern though. Been sitting in my utility room with a pile of parts for the Explorer that won't be going on before I trade it back in.
These AC seats work great. A little slow, but after 4-5 minutes they're getting nice and cool. Never had that before, and never want to be without it!
I was sick of seeing "LOW FUEL LEVEL" and "LOW WASHER FLUID" every time I started it, so I grabbed my only gas can I use for my mower, emptied the 87 into my Explorer, then ran up to the gas station and got about 3 gallons of Premium, and a jug of washer fluid. All is well now. Fresh fuel in it, plenty of washer fluid, no more warning messages.
Also permanently fixed the message center buttons. Another common thing ive seen on almost any LS in person, those buttons' mounts have snapped and the buttons are sitting way back under the vents, as were mine. Well, PO had a tiny dab of some glue, but that didn't do jack. I tacked them in place with hot glue to hold it, and then used some JB-Weld.
Is there any way to adjust the auto-headlamp delay? I think mine said it was on 20 seconds, anyway to bump that up? I remember the 1st gens you just turned the knob farther IIRC to extend the delay, but mine does no such thing. I miss that little feature, my Explorer doesn't have that. I like the extra light when i'm getting out, grabbing my mail and going inside every night after work.
Definitely gonna need pads and rotors. It stops just fine, but these rotors are so rusted, they don't seem to be clearing up while i'm driving it. Would be awesome if the Power Stop(?) drilled and slotted kit I bought for my Explorer would fit. Doubt it, same bolt pattern though. Been sitting in my utility room with a pile of parts for the Explorer that won't be going on before I trade it back in.
These AC seats work great. A little slow, but after 4-5 minutes they're getting nice and cool. Never had that before, and never want to be without it!
joegr
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If only there was some sort of owner's manual that would clearly explain how to do such things...
Press the setup button a few times and see what happens.
So today its even hotter, but I wanted to get it around the block and "drive" it. Drove it about 3 miles worth in my neighborhood first with AC off (so the fan wouldn't be on by default), and then once it stayed in the middle, I turned the AC on. (I was dying lol) No changes. Pulled back in the garage and let it idle for another 5-10 minutes, still no changes. Gauge didn't fluctuate or anything.
I was sick of seeing "LOW FUEL LEVEL" and "LOW WASHER FLUID" every time I started it, so I grabbed my only gas can I use for my mower, emptied the 87 into my Explorer, then ran up to the gas station and got about 3 gallons of Premium, and a jug of washer fluid. All is well now. Fresh fuel in it, plenty of washer fluid, no more warning messages.
Also permanently fixed the message center buttons. Another common thing ive seen on almost any LS in person, those buttons' mounts have snapped and the buttons are sitting way back under the vents, as were mine. Well, PO had a tiny dab of some glue, but that didn't do jack. I tacked them in place with hot glue to hold it, and then used some JB-Weld.
Is there any way to adjust the auto-headlamp delay? I think mine said it was on 20 seconds, anyway to bump that up? I remember the 1st gens you just turned the knob farther IIRC to extend the delay, but mine does no such thing. I miss that little feature, my Explorer doesn't have that. I like the extra light when i'm getting out, grabbing my mail and going inside every night after work.
Definitely gonna need pads and rotors. It stops just fine, but these rotors are so rusted, they don't seem to be clearing up while i'm driving it. Would be awesome if the Power Stop(?) drilled and slotted kit I bought for my Explorer would fit. Doubt it, same bolt pattern though. Been sitting in my utility room with a pile of parts for the Explorer that won't be going on before I trade it back in.
These AC seats work great. A little slow, but after 4-5 minutes they're getting nice and cool. Never had that before, and never want to be without it!
Psssssssssttttttt.... Your check engine light is on...
I REALLY miss the a/c seats in my BMW!!!!
So I learned a few things from the owners manual. Good suggestion joe
Figured out that sometimes the auto-up feature needs to be reset if the battery dies/is disconnected, which explains why it doesn't work on my passenger front window. Also learned how to let the car re-learn idle trim, and that the trans may shift excessively hard or soft before it relearns driving habits.
Gonna search around and see if theres a foglight mod like the Explorers have. (Cut one pin off of the foglight relay and the fogs will stay on with the high beams)
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Finally made a shopping cart for the cooling system from FPG.com. Over $800.
Please tell me I have things I don't need in here...
Figured out that sometimes the auto-up feature needs to be reset if the battery dies/is disconnected, which explains why it doesn't work on my passenger front window. Also learned how to let the car re-learn idle trim, and that the trans may shift excessively hard or soft before it relearns driving habits.
Gonna search around and see if theres a foglight mod like the Explorers have. (Cut one pin off of the foglight relay and the fogs will stay on with the high beams)
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Finally made a shopping cart for the cooling system from FPG.com. Over $800.
Please tell me I have things I don't need in here...
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Just posted my Explorer earlier today and already have someone wanting to take it over. Yikes. Need to get this LS on the road QUICK.
Just remembered I have a stud in each down pipe I still need to remove before the new cats would be able to bolt up. This should be fun.
Just remembered I have a stud in each down pipe I still need to remove before the new cats would be able to bolt up. This should be fun.
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The corrosion on the trunk lid irritates me. A lot.
Have a look under the surround. That'll make your day.
Oh man don't show me that. Well, if I keep this car longer than through next Spring, that will be getting repainted for sure. I want to debadge as well. My grille needs some TLC too, gonna look and see what aftermarket options are out there for it. Has anyone ever used the VHT red taillight paint and made LSE style taillights? Ive been throwing that idea around. Then I would just throw a red bulb in the blinker portion. (Probably gonna run LEDs. Favorite easy mod I do to all my vehicles. Love how much better good LEDs look and light up.)
Just a little backstory on whats going on, 'cause I feel like venting. (Seeing as i've gone back and fourth through this thread on keeping/selling the LS)
I made some poor financial choices a couple of years ago. I have a great job, making great money (I should say plenty of money to live comfortably, as well as pay for my hobbies) No complaints in life there. When I bought my house, my credit was getting better and better. I got over-zealous with it. Got in over my head, and then started taking days off work left and right. Got myself in a huge hole.
Got myself back "out" this year, in like January, everything was good. I still had a handful of accounts in collections, and owed about $17k in total debt. (Not including my house) This also is the reason I had to buy my Explorer from a buy here/pay here, no credit check lot. I pay a hefty payment each week on it, which comes out to a huge monthly payment. After insurance, i'm paying about $700 a month to drive that Explorer. Its nice, but its basic. Ive done a lot of work to it, from normal maintenance, to cosmetic/audio/video upgrades.
When I picked up this LS, it was going to be an "easy" flip to make a nice chunk of change. Then I thought maybe ill sell it and buy a nice used 80s/90s cuddy cabin boat. Always wanted one. Id be in the same financial situation im in now, but now own a boat to sink money into. (Smart, right?) Then this past week at work I was thinking, I was given one of my dream cars for FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS! Literally, the only thing I would change on the car if I could would be to have a black leather interior.
Been living life as if my debt doesn't exist. Ignoring letters in the mail from collectors, phone calls, etc. Stupid, I know. Very stupid. But something dawned on me this past week. Life has been so good, i've had this overly-positive outlook on EVERYTHING, and am flipping my life around to pay this sh*t off. I make enough money to pay for a nice new(er) truck and a nice newer boat. I make enough money to not stress about paying bills, making it week to week, etc. Sheesh. I guess I was young and dumb, as much as id like to say I wasn't.
The Explorer is going to be going to someone who wants to basically step in and take over the loan and payments. I am setting myself on an aggressive payment plan to have this debt completely wiped clean and paid off by March of next year. I am getting a decent new-contract bonus this year at work as well, which will also completely go towards the debt. I am fixing the LS, and it will be my daily driver until at least Spring, of next year. If there are no major problems, it will most likely stay with me until it has a catastrophic failure like actually needing a new engine, or the trans going out.
I spent quite a bit of time on the phone tonight with Progressive about the insurance. I pay about $180/month for full coverage on my Explorer. I don't want full coverage on the LS for obvious reasons. PLPD (Covers everything but the car, Michigan bare minimum basically) was going to be roughly $230 a month! That was outrageous. After some small changes on my policy, she was able to drop my 6 month policy about $200~, so my $180~ payment drops to $140~. That also changed the quoted coverage for the LS from $230 down to $160. MUCH better.
I actually have a guy blowing my phone up trying to get my Explorer ASAP. I told him I posted it now not expecting anyone to contact me for awhile. I have to order parts for the LS and whatnot at bare minimum before I can get away from the X. He said "how much are the parts I can buy them for you?" Im still in disbelief, but he REALLY wants this thing. The no money down, nice vehicle with no credit check is VERY appealing for alot of people im finding out, lol. I have to order a new radio bezel as i'm not leaving my iPad in there, but I just shot him an email with a price for leaving all that. Hopefully he does. That'll be about $1000 bucks in my pocket, plenty to overhaul the cooling system! Lol
/rant
Just a little backstory on whats going on, 'cause I feel like venting. (Seeing as i've gone back and fourth through this thread on keeping/selling the LS)
I made some poor financial choices a couple of years ago. I have a great job, making great money (I should say plenty of money to live comfortably, as well as pay for my hobbies) No complaints in life there. When I bought my house, my credit was getting better and better. I got over-zealous with it. Got in over my head, and then started taking days off work left and right. Got myself in a huge hole.
Got myself back "out" this year, in like January, everything was good. I still had a handful of accounts in collections, and owed about $17k in total debt. (Not including my house) This also is the reason I had to buy my Explorer from a buy here/pay here, no credit check lot. I pay a hefty payment each week on it, which comes out to a huge monthly payment. After insurance, i'm paying about $700 a month to drive that Explorer. Its nice, but its basic. Ive done a lot of work to it, from normal maintenance, to cosmetic/audio/video upgrades.
When I picked up this LS, it was going to be an "easy" flip to make a nice chunk of change. Then I thought maybe ill sell it and buy a nice used 80s/90s cuddy cabin boat. Always wanted one. Id be in the same financial situation im in now, but now own a boat to sink money into. (Smart, right?) Then this past week at work I was thinking, I was given one of my dream cars for FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS! Literally, the only thing I would change on the car if I could would be to have a black leather interior.
Been living life as if my debt doesn't exist. Ignoring letters in the mail from collectors, phone calls, etc. Stupid, I know. Very stupid. But something dawned on me this past week. Life has been so good, i've had this overly-positive outlook on EVERYTHING, and am flipping my life around to pay this sh*t off. I make enough money to pay for a nice new(er) truck and a nice newer boat. I make enough money to not stress about paying bills, making it week to week, etc. Sheesh. I guess I was young and dumb, as much as id like to say I wasn't.
The Explorer is going to be going to someone who wants to basically step in and take over the loan and payments. I am setting myself on an aggressive payment plan to have this debt completely wiped clean and paid off by March of next year. I am getting a decent new-contract bonus this year at work as well, which will also completely go towards the debt. I am fixing the LS, and it will be my daily driver until at least Spring, of next year. If there are no major problems, it will most likely stay with me until it has a catastrophic failure like actually needing a new engine, or the trans going out.
I spent quite a bit of time on the phone tonight with Progressive about the insurance. I pay about $180/month for full coverage on my Explorer. I don't want full coverage on the LS for obvious reasons. PLPD (Covers everything but the car, Michigan bare minimum basically) was going to be roughly $230 a month! That was outrageous. After some small changes on my policy, she was able to drop my 6 month policy about $200~, so my $180~ payment drops to $140~. That also changed the quoted coverage for the LS from $230 down to $160. MUCH better.
I actually have a guy blowing my phone up trying to get my Explorer ASAP. I told him I posted it now not expecting anyone to contact me for awhile. I have to order parts for the LS and whatnot at bare minimum before I can get away from the X. He said "how much are the parts I can buy them for you?" Im still in disbelief, but he REALLY wants this thing. The no money down, nice vehicle with no credit check is VERY appealing for alot of people im finding out, lol. I have to order a new radio bezel as i'm not leaving my iPad in there, but I just shot him an email with a price for leaving all that. Hopefully he does. That'll be about $1000 bucks in my pocket, plenty to overhaul the cooling system! Lol
/rant
Ironically the dealer does not want to simply switch my loan to someone else, but they are letting me trade the Explorer back in and relieving me from the loan.
I also spoke to the eBay seller selling the Cats, the picture shows both front cats, and the rear "3rd" cat. Says compare to Magnaflow (p/n here) which is the whole 3-cat setup.
No. Their listing is only for the third cat which I do not even plan on installing. So I have to get the magnaflow cats, which are $466 shipped but will get a discount to get that down to $350 shipped. Ordering those first thing Friday.
Still gotta figure those damn bolts out.
I also spoke to the eBay seller selling the Cats, the picture shows both front cats, and the rear "3rd" cat. Says compare to Magnaflow (p/n here) which is the whole 3-cat setup.
No. Their listing is only for the third cat which I do not even plan on installing. So I have to get the magnaflow cats, which are $466 shipped but will get a discount to get that down to $350 shipped. Ordering those first thing Friday.
Still gotta figure those damn bolts out.
FDR
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They probably can't afford it and think they can just stop making payments with no credit hit on them.
Of course they'll take it back. You give it back with no trade-in payout (they get a free car), they sell it to the next guy for a higher price. They sold the car twice. Sucks for the other guy, but you're much better off without the responsibility. I don't know how it'd work for cars, but I've had a couple friends run into major problems subletting their apartments. The new tenant flakes out or stops paying, my friends are still on the hook
Never thought about it like that, you made a great point. This was my first/last time dealing with a buy here pay here joint. No complaints, I was able to get in a very nice reliable vehicle with little money down and no credit involved, however I'm also now very thankful I am getting the opportunity to get the hell away from it! Lol
I've done a lot of maintenance and upgrades here and there so the next buyer will be getting a problem free vehicle.
I also had a nice stereo/amp/door speakers I was leaving in, but the more I thought about it, nah. That's all gonna go in the LS. I have the dash kit and wiring harness so I'll throw the radio and speakers in this weekend.
Ordering the magnaflow cats tomorrow (Friday) as soon as I wake up. Gonna try to get those two bolts out of the manifolds where the cats bolt to this weekend and change the oil as well.
Fun day today. Got my Explorer fully returned back to stock and the interior back in and clean. Was settling down for a shower when the girlfriend called, describing a loud clicking noise her car is making (09 Fusion 3.0), on her way home hears a loud bang, engine dies, etc. I get there to pick her up and see the car, huge hole blown in the bottom of the engine. All the oil dumped out and the engine seized I would assume. She owes a good $8k or so on a vehicle with a trash engine. Not even 50k babied miles. Car is spotless. Damn shame.
1LoudLS
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thats odd, the 3.0 is a fairly reliable motor.
with a blown engines with under 50k, are you sure she has been checking the oil regularly or more importantly recently?
also continuing to drive a car making such a loud and unusual noise is never a wise decision... I wonder if there were other signs that were missed or ignored.
with a blown engines with under 50k, are you sure she has been checking the oil regularly or more importantly recently?
also continuing to drive a car making such a loud and unusual noise is never a wise decision... I wonder if there were other signs that were missed or ignored.
Bought it with 40k miles, dealer was really pushing to get this car off the lot. Should've known right then and there to walk away, but unfortunately for her with little to no credit and minimum money down, it was her only option at the time. Car ran and drove flawlessly up until this happened. Had a light click, which with some research on various forums, appeared to be normal operation in this engine. (Numerous videos on said forums asking the same question we were looking at, whats this random click?) Today it got very loud, she was lightly driving it right home and bam. Oil was recently changed, I check levels periodically, all was well. I think the dealer may have known something about this car and possibly temporarily fixed something or other.
Young, first car, little money down, barely any credit. To keep her payment reasonable, she financed it longer. She's only owned it for just over a year. Car booked for about $12-13k when she bought it, and paid just about exactly what it booked for IIRC. It (was...) a nice ride. Fully loaded, low miles, spotless.
A good/close friend is willing to swap the engine for a very good price, we just have to find the replacement. Looks like they're going for about $500-$700 for a direct fit engine. Biggest hassle is going to be lining up borrowing my uncles truck, picking up my other friends car trailer, and hauling the Fusion to my buddies shop.
I tossed the idea of swapping the engine myself, but I would spend more in tools and such to get the job done than he's wanting. Hes got a big shop, lift, all the tools in the world, itll be a day project for him vs all weekend cussing and getting pissed off for me.
Heres a photo I snapped when I picked her up. Car sits so low I cant get my head down to see anything, so I turned my phone to video mode and turned the flash on and recorded while I moved it around under the motor. The LS sits even lower. Im used to being able to change my oil and work on the undercarriage without even jacking the car up, gonna have to get used to this low stuff!
Uhaul prices are just ridiculous anymore.
(For her Fusion...not the LS lol)
Found a used motor in great condition, went and paid for it today. Car is at my friends shop now, motor will be there tomorrow.
So we were debating on how to get the car to him. We're in Monroe, his shop is in Plymouth. (35~ miles)
Was originally gonna try to borrow my uncles big F250, and my buddies car trailer. Problem with that, trailer needed to be repaired and welded won't be done for a few days and trying to get ahold of my uncle is like trying to find osama bin laden.
So I said screw it, we'll rent the pickup from Uhaul and get a car dolly.
Truck is $20+$10 insurance, + $0.59 per mile + gas. Dolly is $45 + $8 ins. Total round trip would cost us over $155 with gas.
Mind you, the car does NOT run. So we would be in the gas station parking lot manually turning it around to face the dolly and then using manpower to push it up those steep ramps onto the dolly.
Local tow company said $180 I said come get it. Then we didn't even have to make the drive up there, we went the opposite way to pay for the engine that we'all pick up and drop off tomorrow.
No word on the cats for the LS yet. Gonna email them and ask about a tracking number.
(For her Fusion...not the LS lol)
Found a used motor in great condition, went and paid for it today. Car is at my friends shop now, motor will be there tomorrow.
So we were debating on how to get the car to him. We're in Monroe, his shop is in Plymouth. (35~ miles)
Was originally gonna try to borrow my uncles big F250, and my buddies car trailer. Problem with that, trailer needed to be repaired and welded won't be done for a few days and trying to get ahold of my uncle is like trying to find osama bin laden.
So I said screw it, we'll rent the pickup from Uhaul and get a car dolly.
Truck is $20+$10 insurance, + $0.59 per mile + gas. Dolly is $45 + $8 ins. Total round trip would cost us over $155 with gas.
Mind you, the car does NOT run. So we would be in the gas station parking lot manually turning it around to face the dolly and then using manpower to push it up those steep ramps onto the dolly.
Local tow company said $180 I said come get it. Then we didn't even have to make the drive up there, we went the opposite way to pay for the engine that we'all pick up and drop off tomorrow.
No word on the cats for the LS yet. Gonna email them and ask about a tracking number.
Question for the tech guys. I got my wire harness, and radio kit today.
The Metra harness has 3 plugs. The main power/audio plug, then the plug to retain the factory deck subs, and then a plug that has only a blue and brown wire coming out. From some searching, ive found that the blue is for the antenna (its a powered antenna I assume, and needs a trigger wire like an amp, right?) but the other is "cell mute." What the hell does that do? Will that mute the aftermarket radio when I hit the "Mute" button on the steering wheel, or was that for the Lincoln Service or whatever the gen 1's had?
The Metra harness has 3 plugs. The main power/audio plug, then the plug to retain the factory deck subs, and then a plug that has only a blue and brown wire coming out. From some searching, ive found that the blue is for the antenna (its a powered antenna I assume, and needs a trigger wire like an amp, right?) but the other is "cell mute." What the hell does that do? Will that mute the aftermarket radio when I hit the "Mute" button on the steering wheel, or was that for the Lincoln Service or whatever the gen 1's had?
joegr
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It's a powered antenna, but no signal/power from the radio is needed for it. There's no connection for it at the radio harness connectors. The mute button and all the other steering wheel buttons come in on one wire (okay, there is a ground return too) in the big connector.
Note that you will lose the RAP (radio will now turn off when the key is turned off, instead of when the door opens). You can get it back by running a wire to where the signal does exist.
Note that you will lose the RAP (radio will now turn off when the key is turned off, instead of when the door opens). You can get it back by running a wire to where the signal does exist.
Just got back inside from using my DMM to see if RAP would still work and found out it won't.
Bummer, but like you said I'll just tap in somewhere that has it. Anywhere in the stock harnesses right there? In my Explorer, I had to tap into the fuse that kept power to the windows. Wasn't bad but it'd be nice to have something right there in the harness.
Bummer, but like you said I'll just tap in somewhere that has it. Anywhere in the stock harnesses right there? In my Explorer, I had to tap into the fuse that kept power to the windows. Wasn't bad but it'd be nice to have something right there in the harness.
The dash kit I got is made by "X Scorpion" and it's FM-K9906P.
Garbage.
Going in the trash if I can't return it and I'm gonna have to find a different kit. Does not line up or fit with the brackets in the LS AT ALL. The brackets they show in the horrible excuse of a manual are completely different than what my stock setup has. (The brackets that hold the eatc and radio together) plus the kit is a rubbery black where my interior parts are silver.
Nope.
Garbage.
Going in the trash if I can't return it and I'm gonna have to find a different kit. Does not line up or fit with the brackets in the LS AT ALL. The brackets they show in the horrible excuse of a manual are completely different than what my stock setup has. (The brackets that hold the eatc and radio together) plus the kit is a rubbery black where my interior parts are silver.
Nope.
joegr
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This is the right one: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001TJCREI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
It's intent is to replace the metal brackets in the car with plastic ones, but on both of mine I was able to keep the metal brackets and add the plastic ones with them.
The RAP wire is gray with violet stripe. It runs from the DDM to the passenger window and to the moon roof. It's hard to find under the dash. It's easy to find behind the right C-pillar.
It's intent is to replace the metal brackets in the car with plastic ones, but on both of mine I was able to keep the metal brackets and add the plastic ones with them.
The RAP wire is gray with violet stripe. It runs from the DDM to the passenger window and to the moon roof. It's hard to find under the dash. It's easy to find behind the right C-pillar.